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railnut
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:54 pm
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I am wondering if anyone has any information on this line. Only part of it happened. They built the permant way and no track. It has a tunnel on the line which is approx 1 mile 3/4 long, made out of dirt. Apparently it used to feature in motor shows 30 years ago because it made a good test track for cars. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
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johnboy
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:56 pm
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It has been a fully operational line since 1985, mainly coal from Ulan mines and the Cobar Ore train once per day. It was mostly constructed some years before and work was stopped for many decades. The Ulan road ran through one of the tunnels (Coxs Gap Number 1) which is over 700metres long. But it is a straight tunnel and you could see if any cars were coming before you entered.
There was another section from Gulgong - Mary Vale which was never completed.
Rolf has some info here:
http://www.nswrail.net/lines/sandy_hollow_gulgong/index.html
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The Man in Blue
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:17 pm
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| railnut wrote: | I am wondering if anyone has any information on this line. Only part of it happened. They built the permant way and no track. It has a tunnel on the line which is approx 1 mile 3/4 long, made out of dirt. Apparently it used to feature in motor shows 30 years ago because it made a good test track for cars. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
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Theno1 tunnel at Cox's Gap was featured at the beginning of "Torque" and showed a car coming out of this tunnel
the sign visible at the tunnel mouth survives in the Old Casino Museum.
there were 5 tunnels on the Sandy Hollow to Maryvale line, four have now been built but one shown below is the No5 tunnel near Spicers Creek. It survives in an abandoned state
The long unfinished tunnel was the inaccessable no3 near Bylong. It was amazing, like something frozen in time, almost as if the workers had downed tools and walked away.
There were some dangerous parts like the 2 ventilation shafts, drilled hundreds of metres straight down, but left without any warning or covering.
This line goes through rather remote areas and without maps it was almost impossible to locate. Nowadays the 1/2 the line is finished, but the Gulgong to Maryvale section is stillabandoned, like the ruin of some lost civilisation.
SAVE EVELEIGH! Once the largest industrial complex in Australia. The Smithsonian Institute described Eveleigh as “the most important historic railway workshops remaining in the world
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:20 am
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Is the still abandoned #5 at spicers gap a complete tunnel, or unfinished?
Restarting the work on the #3 when the line was completed must have been quite a challenge, as it looks like it was in quite a bad state with flooding, etc.
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johnboy
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:17 am
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No 5 was left as it is. I belive only one side portal was completed and I dont believe that it was broken thru. It's on private property so it's hard to find out. Tunnels 1, 2 and 4 were all lined and completed earlier. 3 was completed in the early 80s.
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:25 pm
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| johnboy wrote: | | No 5 was left as it is. I belive only one side portal was completed and I dont believe that it was broken thru. It's on private property so it's hard to find out. Tunnels 1, 2 and 4 were all lined and completed earlier. 3 was completed in the early 80s. |
Just to clear up any confusion, No5 tunnel is completed, both portals and is concrete lined. It is in country where you would not think there is a tunnel, plains country. The eastern portal can be accessed, but the western end is severely overgrown with blackberries and can only be approached from the cutting above. This tunnel has huge doors fitted, it was used many years ago to grow mushrooms, but is now derelict.
No3 at Bylong was the unfinished tunnel, but it was subsequently finished in the 1980,s. All tunnels had their portals built in the 1930's
SAVE EVELEIGH! Once the largest industrial complex in Australia. The Smithsonian Institute described Eveleigh as “the most important historic railway workshops remaining in the world
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johnboy
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:40 pm
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| The Man in Blue wrote: | | johnboy wrote: | | No 5 was left as it is. I belive only one side portal was completed and I dont believe that it was broken thru. It's on private property so it's hard to find out. Tunnels 1, 2 and 4 were all lined and completed earlier. 3 was completed in the early 80s. |
Just to clear up any confusion, No5 tunnel is completed, both portals and is concrete lined. It is in country where you would not think there is a tunnel, plains country. The eastern portal can be accessed, but the western end is severely overgrown with blackberries and can only be approached from the cutting above. This tunnel has huge doors fitted, it was used many years ago to grow mushrooms, but is now derelict.
No3 at Bylong was the unfinished tunnel, but it was subsequently finished in the 1980,s. All tunnels had their portals built in the 1930's |
Im confused... my record shows "No3 aka Bylong Tunnel" as being the longest fully operational tunnel in NSW (besides Ski Tube and Sydney Undergrounds) at 1975 metres in length, or is there another tunnel?
My List (which is a bit old):
1) Cox Gap Tunnel A - 761m, this was the 'road' tunnel, now in use.
2) Cox Gap Tunnel B - 410m, now in use
3) Bylong Tunnel - 1975m, now in use
4) Wollar Tunnel - 376m, now in use
5) Spicers Tunnel - never completed.
I went looking for number 5 but i didnt try hard enough.... it was 40 degrees and I did not want to get out of the car!
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:14 am
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Im confused... my record shows "No3 aka Bylong Tunnel" as being the longest fully operational tunnel in NSW (besides Ski Tube and Sydney Undergrounds) at 1975 metres in length, or is there another tunnel?
My List (which is a bit old):
1) Cox Gap Tunnel A - 761m, this was the 'road' tunnel, now in use.
2) Cox Gap Tunnel B - 410m, now in use
3) Bylong Tunnel - 1975m, now in use
4) Wollar Tunnel - 376m, now in use
5) Spicers Tunnel - never completed.
I went looking for number 5 but i didnt try hard enough.... it was 40 degrees and I did not want to get out of the car!  |
Your list is basically correct, but by saying No5 tunnel was '
"never completed", means in this instance that it never had track laid through it.
If you are ever in that area again check it out, it is not far from Spicers Creek, and it where the formation veers away from the road for about 2km. as I said in previous post, it is in country that is fairly flat plains country. there are some disused construction skips there also as well as a heap of wooden mushroom boxes. Best found by walking westwards.
SAVE EVELEIGH! Once the largest industrial complex in Australia. The Smithsonian Institute described Eveleigh as “the most important historic railway workshops remaining in the world
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johnboy
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:44 pm
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All clear now, Thanks for that!
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railnut
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:04 pm
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Many thanks for all of your information.
Railnut
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:55 am
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This is stretching the memory a bit but there was a documentary made years ago about the Sandy Hollow to Maryvale "ghost" railway. This was some years before the Ulan mine was mooted and there was finally a reason to build the eastern end of the railway.
I think this was made by channel 2 and was hosted by Bill Peach but I might well be wrong there as it has to be at least thirty or so years ago.
The scene I most remember was an aerial shot of the western end of Wollar Gap tunnel complete but obviously no track. The formation kind of dove into the otherwise flat ground in a steadily deepening cutting until it disappeared into the tunnel.
I think the show also featured partly built stations and bridges. The bridges were finished for the railway and what remained of the stations was demolished.
In the Gulgong to Maryvale section none of this occurred and the scene remains pretty much as I imagine it was left in the early fifties.
Not far out of Gulgong there are two steel plate girder bridges complete but for track.
Near Goolma there is what would have been a rail underbridge over the road. The two abutments are in place with the embankments leading to them but no bridge span over the road.
Somewhere further west (and I cannot remember where but it is well off the beaten track) there is a rail cutting with what would have been a road bridge over it. Abutments, steel girders, but no deck.
Nearer to Maryvale there are the remains of a station platform in the middle of a wheat paddock. At Maryvale you can see where there was to be a triangle junction with the existing line.
If you want to trace the line it is worth investing in three maps from the CMA. The ones you want are in the 1:50000 series named GULGONG, GOOLMA, and GEURIE. These show the old line as an abandoned railway but make it easy to work out where to go. You can get them at the Lands Building in Bridge St Sydney.
I did this probably ten years ago. If anyone else does so then good luck, it is worth the effort.
Regards,
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