VLocity through the City Loop

 
  vlinecars V/Man - "Yeah!"

Location: Here, there, everywhere!
Was informed by a friend today who was onboard 8404 (0605 Traralgon - Southern Cross) that due to a point failure at Richmond Junction, the train, consisting of VL17, was sent through the Caulfield Loop with a pilot man, arriving into Platform 12 at Southern Cross around 08:20 (13 late).

He said that the train continued on to Flinders Street from there (not really anywhere else for it to go!)

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  NR26 Chief Train Controller

Location: Anywhere
Was informed by a friend today who was onboard 8404 (0605 Traralgon - Southern Cross) that due to a point failure at Richmond Junction, the train, consisting of VL17, was sent through the Caulfield Loop with a pilot man, arriving into Platform 12 at Southern Cross around 08:20 (13 late).

He said that the train continued on to Flinders Street from there (not really anywhere else for it to go!)
"vlinecars"


Thats a real surprise! It never happens to Vline trains at all! Razz  The last time I can think that something similar to this happened was in 2001 when a Vline train with N457 leading went through the loop by accident when it wasn't supposed to.

This will happen again, not tomorrow, not even today, but I have a feelong in years to come it will happen
  Taitset Chief Commissioner

Location: Eltham, (former) vintage safeworking capital of Melbourne
Good to see those signallers are thinking laterally! (Or should that be vertically...   Smile  )
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
I've got a photo of a DERM and trailer at Melbourne Central!!!
  route14 Chief Commissioner

That was a planned one.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
I've got a photo of a DERM and trailer at Melbourne Central!!!
"Ballast_Plough"


 Yes, I was on it  8)    
  r707 Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
Thats a real surprise! It never happens to Vline trains at all! Razz  The last time I can think that something similar to this happened was in 2001 when a Vline train with N457 leading went through the loop by accident when it wasn't supposed to.

This will happen again, not tomorrow, not even today, but I have a feelong in years to come it will happen
"NR26"


  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Is there any reason besides the fact that Connex takes up all capacity, why a V/Line train cannot travel via the loop every service?
  Junior Rodgie Dodgie

Location: Allansford
I know there are concerns with Fire Alarms in the main city loop.
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
And a lack of ventilation/extraction of diesel fumes/exhaust, too, I assume.

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  NathanCastle Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gippsland
Is there any reason besides the fact that Connex takes up all capacity, why a V/Line train cannot travel via the loop every service?
"alstom_888m"


R because V/Line trains run on diesel and there for emit diesel fumes that need the city loop's ventilation turned up flat out and the = extra $$'s.
Besides Flinders Street Station Is a more useful place for Gippsland travelers to get off (well that's what I think) than next stop SCS, most people get off at FSS.
  ashbeer Assistant Commissioner

I've got a photo of a DERM and trailer at Melbourne Central!!!
"Ballast_Plough"
That would be good to see. Any chance you could post it?
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

I've got a photo of a DERM and trailer at Melbourne Central!!!
"Ballast_Plough"
That would be good to see. Any chance you could post it?
"ashbeer"


I'd like to see it as well.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Will scan it in tomorrow. Was a cool little semi suburban tour run quite a few years ago. I forget the actual sequence of stops but we visited:

- APM sidings at Fairfield.
- Webb Dock sidings
- Travelled via city loop at some stage
- Ended up at Long Island to visit the Mornington Mob who were based there at the time.

By rights the photo was actually at Museum station and not Melbourne Central!
  route14 Chief Commissioner

How did it cross Heidelberg Rd.?
  NR26 Chief Train Controller

Location: Anywhere
Thats a real surprise! It never happens to Vline trains at all! Razz  The last time I can think that something similar to this happened was in 2001 when a Vline train with N457 leading went through the loop by accident when it wasn't supposed to.

This will happen again, not tomorrow, not even today, but I have a feelong in years to come it will happen
"NR26"


"r707"


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  jeffreydelc Beginner

Is there any reason besides the fact that Connex takes up all capacity, why a V/Line train cannot travel via the loop every service?
"alstom_888m"


R because V/Line trains run on diesel and there for emit diesel fumes that need the city loop's ventilation turned up flat out and the = extra $$'s.
Besides Flinders Street Station Is a more useful place for Gippsland travelers to get off (well that's what I think) than next stop SCS, most people get off at FSS.
"NathanCastle"


Hi, I'm a new member here. Is there nowhere in Australia where diesel train goes underground? I heard it has been done in Europe. What mechanism of ventilation do they use?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Is there any reason besides the fact that Connex takes up all capacity, why a V/Line train cannot travel via the loop every service?
"alstom_888m"


R because V/Line trains run on diesel and there for emit diesel fumes that need the city loop's ventilation turned up flat out and the = extra $$'s.
Besides Flinders Street Station Is a more useful place for Gippsland travelers to get off (well that's what I think) than next stop SCS, most people get off at FSS.
"NathanCastle"


Hi, I'm a new member here. Is there nowhere in Australia where diesel train goes underground? I heard it has been done in Europe. What mechanism of ventilation do they use?
"jeffreydelc"


I believe the longest 'underground' running of a diesel loco or DMU in Victoria would be the tunnel between Geelong & South Geelong.

Mike.    
  Somebody in the WWW Banned

Location: Banned
Although not exactly "underground", some of the tunnels on the Sydney-Newcastle line are quite long, for example the one between Wondabyne and Woy Woy is over 1km long. The line is electrified, however it is a part of the main East Coast route, so many freight trains, as well as CountryLink XPT and Xplorer services use it on a daily basis. Another example would be the Bylong Tunnel near Ulan, NSW which is 1975m long and used by diesel freight trains Shocked

Also notable would be the Adelaide City Railway Station which is used by DMUs, which is enclosed underneath a an office building, with ventilation fans used to suck up diesel fumes from trains idling in the station.
  jeffreydelc Beginner

Although not exactly "underground", some of the tunnels on the Sydney-Newcastle line are quite long, for example the one between Wondabyne and Woy Woy is over 1km long. The line is electrified, however it is a part of the main East Coast route, so many freight trains, as well as CountryLink XPT and Xplorer services use it on a daily basis. Another example would be the Bylong Tunnel near Ulan, NSW which is 1975m long and used by diesel freight trains Shocked

Also notable would be the Adelaide City Railway Station which is used by DMUs, which is enclosed underneath a an office building, with ventilation fans used to suck up diesel fumes from trains idling in the station.
"Somebody in the WWW"


Interesting!! Thanks for responding. I'm doing some research about DMU and underground station at the moment. Is there any resources I can look at about the extraction system used at Adelaide Station? Thanks heaps!!!
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
I believe the longest 'underground' running of a diesel loco or DMU in Victoria would be the tunnel between Geelong & South Geelong.
"The Vinelander"

422 metres long and a decent grade in the South Geelong bound direction. (1:50 if i am reading the diagram right) It stinks right out the first few carriages of the train, even with the doors closed - no ventilation to suck out the fumes: Twisted Evil

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  comeng301M Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne, VIC

I believe the longest 'underground' running of a diesel loco or DMU in Victoria would be the tunnel between Geelong & South Geelong.

Mike.    
"The Vinelander"


I'd say the Elphinstone Tunnel would be the longest for a Diesel Loco or DMU
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
I believe the longest 'underground' running of a diesel loco or DMU in Victoria would be the tunnel between Geelong & South Geelong.
"The Vinelander"

I'd say the Elphinstone Tunnel would be the longest for a Diesel Loco or DMU
"comeng301M"

Elphinstone is 385 metres and Big Hill is 390 metre long, but both are pretty level. Also today both are double track sized with only one line down the middle, and so have more ventilation.

Now, for real tunnels the 3'6" line at the Fyansford cement works had a 1.3 kilometre long tunnel on a  1 in 37 grade. The drivers in D1 (now T413) had three vent stacks to clear out the air, only one of them with a extraction fan. They used to run steam locos though there before the 1950s. [cough cough choke!]
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Will scan it in tomorrow. Was a cool little semi suburban tour run quite a few years ago. I forget the actual sequence of stops but we visited:

- APM sidings at Fairfield.
- Webb Dock sidings
- Travelled via city loop at some stage
- Ended up at Long Island to visit the Mornington Mob who were based there at the time.

By rights the photo was actually at Museum station and not Melbourne Central!
"Ballast_Plough"


I'd actually forgotten my promise but here it is...

  trolleybusracer Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Albans Sydenham Watergardens Line
the longest tunnel i know of that i been through with a diesel would be back in NZ on the Paraparaumu line the No.2 tunnel is about 4 - 5 km long and when you enter the tunnel the portal att he other end looks like one white pixel on a black screen. Health issues must arise time to time with freight trains operating thru there then scheduling a Spark right behind it (all stock has opening windows and most are usually open)  Twisted Evil

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