Narre Warren to City via Monash Freeway?

 
  mjja Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Mount Waverley, Melbourne
Grendas proposed that to the DoI a few years ago when the overcrowding first started to get bad. AFAIK it went nowhere.

While it would help relieve the rail services, it's so much less efficient that it can only be regarded as a stop-gap until we get meaningful improvements on the rail line.

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  jezzap Locomotive Fireman

They can use the emergency stopping lane as bus lane, all you do is to change the sign.
"route14"


Looks as though there will be many sections along the freeway where they will no longer have emergency stopping lanes after they finish this upgrade.
  Craig Chief Commissioner

Location: Edithvale, VIC
Regarding the stop on the outbound ramp at Doncaster Road.

Routes 303 & 306 exit the freeway to set down passengers at this stop, mainly for the park+ride. They then rejoin the freeway until Middleborough Road. They don't enter the actual park+ride, but its only a stone's throw away to walk.

There is a flag at this stop, but it only lists Route 303 - this is because the 306 didn't exit the freeway until several months after the 303 began doing so.

This was introduced a couple of years ago to ease pressure on the main Park+Ride routes (ie 307, 309).

The morning services don't pick up at Doncaster Road though.

Kind Regards


Craig Smile
  route14 Chief Commissioner

If they consider this as "a stone throw to walk", they can also through route route 207 and 307, as it wouldn't delay through passengers and doesn't cause much inconvenience to the park & riders.
  xtrap_heaven Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne's Train Network
They can use the emergency stopping lane as bus lane, all you do is to change the sign.
"route14"


Looks as though there will be many sections along the freeway where they will no longer have emergency stopping lanes after they finish this upgrade.
"jezzap"


No, there will be "Brake down Bays" every 10 kms or so...
  Somebody in the WWW Banned

Location: Banned
Any kind of express service from these outer sprawl suburbs to the CBD would not help to acheive significant change in modal share from road to rail for the reasons stated at this link, to do with where people work:

http://www.ptua.org.au/myths/express.shtml

Basically, out of 110,000 workers in the Greater Dandenong-Casey-Cardinia region, only 8,657 people in 2001 were employed in the Melbourne CBD, with the majority of potential rail passengers being employed within the region, or in other parts of the S.E. suburbs.

Although the population of Casey in particular has grown significantly in 7 years, the percentage of those employed in the CBD would not have changed significantly.

Remember - only 15% of Melburnians visit the CBD on a given day, a figure which would be less in suburbs 30+ kilometres from it.
  Metro Transit Minister for Railways

Location: Error.
Any kind of express service from these outer sprawl suburbs to the CBD would not help to acheive significant change in modal share from road to rail for the reasons stated at this link, to do with where people work:

http://www.ptua.org.au/myths/express.shtml

Basically, out of 110,000 workers in the Greater Dandenong-Casey-Cardinia region, only 8,657 people in 2001 were employed in the Melbourne CBD, with the majority of potential rail passengers being employed within the region, or in other parts of the S.E. suburbs.

Although the population of Casey in particular has grown significantly in 7 years, the percentage of those employed in the CBD would not have changed significantly.

Remember - only 15% of Melburnians visit the CBD on a given day, a figure which would be less in suburbs 30+ kilometres from it.
"Somebody in the WWW"

Well there are still an enormous amount travelling to the city otherwise the trains wouldn't be getting more busier.


Metro.
  Eratik Chief Train Controller

In the forseeable future, there is no hope of ever seeing an express bus service along the Monash Freeway. Stupidly, the government at the time when Citylink opened up, made an agreement with Transurban, the operators of the Citylink tollway, that if the government was to implement any projects or public transport services that would greatly effect the number of vehicles using Citylink, and thus reducing Transurbans profits, Transurban would have an avenue to seek compensation from the state government. With this clause in mind, it acts as the basis of why the government to this day has ruled out any possibility of committing funds to an express bus service.

When Grendas proposed the idea a couple of years ago, they had good intentions. Trains were becoming overcrowded and an express bus service would act as a cost effective, flexible and quick to implement service that would back up the existing rail line. However the government more or less said no straight away, realising the millions of dollars in compensation they would have to pay Transurban each year.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Well, the Grendas proposed route could terminate at Toorak and have City passengers transferring to route 8 tram.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
In the forseeable future, there is no hope of ever seeing an express bus service along the Monash Freeway. Stupidly, the government at the time when Citylink opened up, made an agreement with Transurban, the operators of the Citylink tollway, that if the government was to implement any projects or public transport services that would greatly effect the number of vehicles using Citylink, and thus reducing Transurbans profits, Transurban would have an avenue to seek compensation from the state government. With this clause in mind, it acts as the basis of why the government to this day has ruled out any possibility of committing funds to an express bus service.
"Eratic"

Can you point to the actual passage that suggests this?

IIRC, the compensation claims are only related to freight operations.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Can you point to the actual passage that suggests this?

IIRC, the compensation claims are only related to freight operations.
"ZH836301"

It seems to be an often repeated thing, but no one ever cites a reference of it. Confused

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