"Please move down carriage" Siemens auto-announcement

 
  ShaunDXB Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Crustacean
Today I was on a Siemens express Moorabbin to Bentleigh and just after the announcement came over as the usual "The next station is Bentleigh" an extra announcement came over "Please move down the carriage", and another extra message again when approaching Bentleigh "Now approaching Bentleigh", "Please stand clear of the doors" - or something to that effect.

It was a lady voice, but definetly computerized (auto-announcement), but didn't really sound like the usual lady voice onboard Siemens.

Is this a new annoucement being implemented across the Siemens fleet? Interestingly it only came up when approaching Bentleigh, and no other stations.

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  del_horno15 Junior Train Controller

i had a "please take all rubbish with you" yesterday on a siemens

next thing there will be a "mind the gap" announcement, and the londonism will be truly complete
  Westernport Assistant Commissioner

Location: Not In Service
most of the Siemens fleet seems to be fitted with the new auxullary announcements that seem are in the ALSTOM voice rather than the M>Robot.. there have been other reports of Siemens trains with these new announcements as well..

it says "Please mind the gap" at Footscray..
  Metro Transit Minister for Railways

Location: Error.
next thing there will be a "mind the gap" announcement, and the londonism will be truly complete
"del_horno15"

Not with the system we have it won't.


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  steveo2004 Chief Commissioner

When working on the station's my self and my team member used to poke our heads in the door and asking people to move down it worked Laughing
  Speed Minister for Railways

With Connex staff blocking access to the front two cars for peak-period Northern Group trains, such announcements will encourage passengers to move from the third car into the front two anyway.

I believe that X-traps don't have the storage capacity to provide automatic updates on all lines. Are they likely to have inadequate capacity for such new announcements?
  xtrap_heaven Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne's Train Network
This is already being discussed in a different thread...

http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11344534-s30.htm
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
I'm not sure if they see a need to update the announcements in the X'Traps, as of now it's still very unlikely they will need to have 'north' trains on 'south' lines and vice versa. It does however seem dumb that they still use the same system that was introduced to Melbourne in 2000 though.

The storage capacity issue is an absolutely pathetic excuse by the government (or whoever else runs the trains these days). Those black and white screened WYSE computers you see at Pizza Hut could do a better job of announcing stations than the ageing system that Connex has been stuck with for eight years. Someone must be able to give me the heads up on the 'technology' this Alstom computer system uses... anyone?
  trolleybusracer Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Albans Sydenham Watergardens Line
it says "Please mind the gap" at Footscray..
"Westernport"


Laughing More Like Please mind the Crevasse


Alighting off the rear Car at Footscray
  WiRED Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne, Australia
@steveo2004: LOL, you used to do that for a kick? Very Happy

The Xtrap problem, with "not enough memory", what are they running, 5meg ram? My lord, it would take 20 bucks to add more 'memory' to a train.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
$20 to each train would probably give you enough RAM for every line in the country. Problem is, we have 58 (plus more on the way) 3 car sets, or 174 cars. That $2480 for the whole fleet you know, plus labor, a lot of money.

There's other reasons why the X'Traps can't run Northern/Caulfield; the cab is in the middle throwing signal sighting out, and they are limited to 90kmh because of computer issues at high speed. This could present a problem for timetabling on the Werribee, Sydenham, Craigiburn, Pakenham, and Cranbourne lines. Mind you, they have better acceleration than the other train which could offset that issue.

It's do-able but I don't think system wide running is that important, more important things need to be done with the system. London Underground has different stock for each line even built to their own line-by-line loading gauge.
  comeng301M Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne, VIC
next thing there will be a "mind the gap" announcement, and the londonism will be truly complete
"del_horno15"

Not with the system we have it won't.
We already have the "Mind the gap" announcement onboard the Siemens trains. Its comes over PA as you come into Footscray on a Sydenham train

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"Metro Transit"
  route14 Chief Commissioner

$20 to each train would probably give you enough RAM for every line in the country. Problem is, we have 58 (plus more on the way) 3 car sets, or 174 cars. That $2480 for the whole fleet you know, plus labor, a lot of money.
"alstom_888m"

If every 3-car set gets an extra memory, that's $1160.  If every car was to get one (and I don't see the necessity of that), it's $3480.  I don't know where the $2480 came from.
  tomohawk Chief Commissioner

Location: Getting The Met to get around
$20 to each train would probably give you enough RAM for every line in the country. Problem is, we have 58 (plus more on the way) 3 car sets, or 174 cars. That $2480 for the whole fleet you know, plus labor, a lot of money.
"alstom_888m"

If every 3-car set gets an extra memory, that's $1160.  If every car was to get one (and I don't see the necessity of that), it's $3480.  I don't know where the $2480 came from.
"route14"


Given that a 3-car set only has a single announcement computer it would be somewhat excessive to do it for every M car!

I have a feeling it's more than $20 per upgrade...

In the scheme of things, $1160 to upgrade all X'Traps to greater storage capacity would be nothing. It's about the same price as replacing two smashed windows...
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
The Xtrap problem, with "not enough memory", what are they running, 5meg ram? My lord, it would take 20 bucks to add more 'memory' to a train.
"WiRED"

$20 to each train would probably give you enough RAM for every line in the country. Problem is, we have 58 (plus more on the way) 3 car sets, or 174 cars. That $2480 for the whole fleet you know, plus labor, a lot of money.
"alstom_888m"

I wouldn't have a clue what is running under the hood of the Xtraps computerwise, but I doubt it is going to be an off the shelf motherboard with plenty of expansion slots. It is probably also running some specially written embedded software that has some kind of stupid hardcoded limit on how much memory it can keep track of, and all kinds of other stuff, so even if you could plug it in it wouldn't do anything.

Do you remember the days when motherboards threw a tantrum if you gave them a hard drive larger than 60GB? Check out this 300 MHz baby - a whole computer on a board!

  Tremere Train Controller


The Xtrap problem, with "not enough memory", what are they running, 5meg ram? My lord, it would take 20 bucks to add more 'memory' to a train.
"WiRED"

It wouldn't be that easy. What we are talking about is changing to a higher density flash chip, which is probably soldered in. Add the fact there may be changes needed to address higher density flash..

Chances are the next batch of X'traps will come with a compatible, but newer electronics set ('RoHS' would've rendered a few components unobtainable for new manufacture). Then I guess if you want more announcements on the older trains you'd upgrade them.
  xtrap_heaven Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne's Train Network
The announcemt for spproaching Keilor Plains on Siemens sets are an Alstom announcent, and Siemens trains on the Sydenham line don't tell passengers to change for the Werribee/Williamstown line until North Melbourne (Alstom Announcemnt) . Footscray is: [M>Lady]The next station is Footscray: [Connex voice]Please take care while exiting the train."

Also, when i was at Caulfield, and pushed the green button on platform 4, the PRIDE guy skipped the 6:41 Bairnsdale announcent:

"Trains departing Caulfield Platform 4 are: The 6:33 Cranbourne: Running express from Caulfield to Oakleigh, then stopping all stations to Cranbourne. The 6:41. The 6:47 Pakenham..."
  trolleybusracer Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Albans Sydenham Watergardens Line
Yeah outbound for werribee and williamstown your advised to change north melbourne... kinda stupid
  Nexas The Ghost of George Stephenson

These announcements are played at many locations on the Siemens trains.

To use the Craigieburn line as an example, we have two messages regarding the gap between the platform and the train at Essendon, two messages about moving down the train at Moonee Ponds, and another about taking rubbish with you at Newmarket.

Yeah outbound for werribee and williamstown your advised to change north melbourne... kinda stupid
"trolleybusracer"


Its not stupid. There are hundreds of Werribee passengers crowding on Sydenham services to get out of the loop as their trains don't run. In addition to this, there are many Sydenham passengers at North Melbourne who can't fit on. By advising Werribee passengers to change at North, you make the Sydenham train slightly quieter, and you give the Werribee passengers an easier place to change than at Footscray. We all know how bad the footbridge is there.
  fullofrubbish Assistant Commissioner

Location: Brunswick
Yeah outbound for werribee and williamstown your advised to change north melbourne... kinda stupid
"trolleybusracer"


Not really - it's much easier and you have less distance to traverse if you change across from platform 4 over to 6 at NME than it is from 2 to platform 4 at Footscray. That being said, by staying on a down Sydenham you might be able catch a down Williamstown that you would just miss at NME. When living in Ashburton, on a down express Belgrave/Lilydale you know you could generally swap across to a down SAS Alamein as long as you departed Glenferrie before it did, and you were standing ready at the middle door of the 5th carriage ready to run up the ramp at Camberwell  Twisted Evil
  comeng301M Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne, VIC
On the Weekends on the Frankston as you leave Highett on the Up it says

*chime sound* "During Improvement work. How you travel with us might change. Visit  Connexmelbourne.com.au and sign up for Improvement Email updates"
  Speed Minister for Railways

If they're announcing to change at North Melbourne for Werribee, are they going to change announcements on the Burnley group to change at Richmond for Glen Waverley (or from the Glen Waverley line)?

The reason why I'd suggest this is that not all trains which stop at Camberwell stop at Burnley.
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
If they're announcing to change at North Melbourne for Werribee, are they going to change announcements on the Burnley group to change at Richmond for Glen Waverley (or from the Glen Waverley line)?

The reason why I'd suggest this is that not all trains which stop at Camberwell stop at Burnley.
"Speed"


Some mornings I have stopped at Burnley and had a Glen Waverley train go express past us.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Yes, I remember a couple of services run express Richmond -- Darling, but in the good old days almost every second train run express Burnley -- Darling.

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