New entry for Geelong Railway Station

 
  RATLSNAKE Chief Train Controller

From the Geelong Advertiser:

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2008/11/14/30961_news.html

Peter Begg

November 14th, 2008


TAXPAYERS have forked our for prime land in Geelong's Mercer St to build a new main entrance to the city railway station and clear the way for new commercial development.

Bureaucrats refuse to say how much was paid for the former Winter and Taylor car yard, next to Geelong Police Station.
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The land will be used to build a new access road as part of the State Government's Transit Cities Program.

A City of Greater Geelong spokesman said an office complex could be built beside the new road at the corner of Mercer and Brougham streets.

Notice of the land acquisition was placed in metropolitan media this week on behalf of Planning Minister Justin Madden.

The deal completes a taxpayer-buyout of land in the railway precinct and is a major step forward for the Government's development plans.

The land was purchased as part of the $24.5 million commitment in the last State Budget for works around the Geelong Railway Station precinct including:

THE new road link from the railway station to Mercer St and a new signalised intersection at Mercer St;

STREETSCAPE works on Bayley St and Transit Place to provide improved pedestrian safety and amenity; and

FEASIBILITY studies into development options for land on the northeast corner of the railway station precinct and the State Government offices on the corner of Little Malop and Fenwick streets.

A spokeswoman for the Planning Minister said the Mercer St land would be used to improve pedestrian links.

"This site is required to enable better access between the new TAC building, the waterfront, Deakin University and the Geelong Railway Station," she said.

"The acquisition of this site is important to improve accessibility in Victoria's second largest city."

She said Geelong was one of 13 Transit City projects in the Melbourne 2030 strategy.

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  Mickelaar The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: At the layout, tinkering.
Have too many people been hit by cars and push bikes who fail to give way at the zebra crossing that currently is the main entrance? I have seen so many near misses here.

EDIT: In reference to existing entrance, and need for a new one at a different location that is not as dangerous.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
At the moment the northern entry to the station is via platform 1, a bluestone staircase a metre wide ending in a metre wide footpath alongside Brougham Street, which is a underpass beneath the tracks. It isn't exactly the most welcoming access route:
[img]http://www.railgeelong.com/gallery/geelong-line/geelong/image/500/179_7905.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.railgeelong.com/gallery/geelong-line/geelong/image/500/D531_3195.jpg[/img]

It also happens to be the north access to the Latrobe Terrace carpark, the south access has a wider footpath and is less underground.

It is interesting how they mention the TAC offices - I wonder how many of the employees intend to do a reverse commute from Melbourne to Geelong to work?
  Mickelaar The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: At the layout, tinkering.
do a reverse commute from Melbourne to Geelong to work?
"wongm"
The South Geelong train that pulls into Geelong around 8AM is packed (almost to the rafters) of folks who do the 'reverse commute'. I can't see why a 30 minute frequency isn't in place. Hopefully an extra service or two are inserted to the timetable once the TAC offices start work (I believe is March?).
  aussiebbq Assistant Commissioner

Location: Ballarat, Australia


"wongm"


That looks like a drain.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
It actually is a drain when it rains.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

The negotiations have been ongoing with Winter & Taylor for a few years now.  Its part of the Western Wedge project.

This will allow for a new bus terminal to angle to the back of the station building.  All buses will then exit via Mercer St.

It will be quite a bit safer and give a better view of the station from the Gordon Avenue approach without the bus shelter obscuring it.

Its just a great pity that the Court House and Police Station were not built elsewhere.  Then Geelong station could have had a grand forecourt (or a damned big carpark).
  Deanodriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
It actually is a drain when it rains.
"alstom_888m"


And worse, at the bottom of that stairway there is a road, and cars go through that tunnel quite quickly. If someone fell on the last step, they'd fall straight onto the road.

I wonder if any developments at Geelong station would include a subway at the northern end for access to platforms 2 and 3 by disabled pax (without needing assistance from station staff)? Would also be worth extending said subway to the Latrobe Terrace carpark, so you could access these platforms from said carpark without going through platform 1.
  Turbo Thomas Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Now that it has been mentioned, I thought I might enlighten people about the new City of Greater Geelong (C.O.G.G.) buzz word. The "Western Wedge".
For many years the C.O.G.G. having been stuffing up the Geelong City centre through bad planning. Earlier on this year the state government quite rightly decided to relieve the C.O.G.G. of their duties in town planning in the city area and do it themselves.
So now the "Western Wedge" area has become their new pride and joy because they still have planning control in that area.
Let's see what they can stuff up in that area.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Now that it has been mentioned, I thought I might enlighten people about the new City of Greater Geelong (C.O.G.G.) buzz word. The "Western Wedge".
For many years the C.O.G.G. having been stuffing up the Geelong City centre through bad planning. Earlier on this year the state government quite rightly decided to relieve the C.O.G.G. of their duties in town planning in the city area and do it themselves.
So now the "Western Wedge" area has become their new pride and joy because they still have planning control in that area.
Let's see what they can stuff up in that area.
"Turbo Thomas"
I couldn't agree with you more, Turbo Thomas.

I have been in Geelong for over 5 years now, and though the city wasn't perfect, Geelong was a far better place to live in 5 years ago than what it is now. The city itself is full of half baked ideas gone wrong, such as the bus fiasco whereby bus stops were taken out of Moorabool Street and strewn anywhere and everywhere across town whilst Moorabool Street was being redeveloped (with the council promise the bus stops would come back again)....um, er, we're still waiting!
  Mickelaar The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: At the layout, tinkering.
I have been in Geelong for over 5 years now, and though the city wasn't perfect, Geelong was a far better place to live in 5 years ago than what it is now. The city itself is full of half baked ideas gone wrong, such as the bus fiasco whereby bus stops were taken out of Moorabool Street and strewn anywhere and everywhere across town whilst Moorabool Street was being redeveloped (with the council promise the bus stops would come back again)....um, er, we're still waiting!
"xxxxlbear"
Not to mention, Mercer Street was reduced to 1 lane, proved a failure, then returned to what it is today. The removal of the Malop, Mercer Gerhinghap round-about (which was working fine) for a set of lights that has turned that area into a traffic nightmare.

A decent rail entrance surely can't be that much trouble? Can it?
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
A decent rail entrance surely can't be that much trouble? Can it?
"Mickelaar"

When the present bus terminal in the station forecourt opened a few years back, people kept almost getting cleaned up by buses, so they had to move it north a few metres. The marks of the old crossing are still there today.
  Turbo Thomas Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The removal of the Malop, Mercer Gerhinghap round-about (which was working fine) for a set of lights that has turned that area into a traffic nightmare.


That stuff up is so unpopular that there is even a Facebook group about it with over 700 members

http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=22794555408
  R 761 Chief Commissioner

Location: In A House At My Computer
At the moment the northern entry to the station is via platform 1, a bluestone staircase a metre wide ending in a metre wide footpath alongside Brougham Street, which is a underpass beneath the tracks. It isn't exactly the most welcoming access route:

[img]http://www.railgeelong.com/gallery/geelong-line/geelong/image/500/D531_3195.jpg[/img]

It also happens to be the north access to the Latrobe Terrace carpark, the south access has a wider footpath and is less underground.

It is interesting how they mention the TAC offices - I wonder how many of the employees intend to do a reverse commute from Melbourne to Geelong to work?
"wongm"
As we know you are looking at Brougham st thats leads from nearest intersection from Mercer st to La trobe. I actually use that road very early in the mornings,monday to fridays to gt to work, with my motor bike, useing that small strip of road even in the dark can be scary, you have to be really switched on he road that you are seeing in the pic, I ride my motor bike through it, you are thinking is someone is gonna run out in front of you or what.
  Turbo Thomas Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
As we know you are looking at Brougham st thats leads from nearest intersection from Mercer st to La trobe. I actually use that road very early in the mornings,monday to fridays to gt to work, with my motor bike, useing that small strip of road even in the dark can be scary, you have to be really switched on he road that you are seeing in the pic, I ride my motor bike through it, you are thinking is someone is gonna run out in front of you or what.


Would have been even more interesting when they used to have a railway crossing right on the end of that tunnel.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
A look at the completed works:

[img]http://www.railgeelong.com/gallery/geelong-line/geelong/image/640/E106_7899.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.railgeelong.com/gallery/geelong-line/geelong/image/640/E106_7856.jpg[/img]


I thought the new road was to provide a quicker exit for buses from  the Northern suburbs. Instead the new road links the eastern car park to Mercer Street, with the old entry now being dedicated to buses and taxis.
  ppiglet Chief Train Controller

It's a great solution, pity about the obnoxious traffic lights to gain access / exit the facility.  You have to wait about 5 mins per cycle!  Too bad if you were in a hurry
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Another thing, the taxi rank has been moved near to where the buses used to stop. There is only enough room for 2 or 3 taxis, and only 1 bench seat in the open air where prospective pax wait.
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Oooh. Dazzly!

Is the predestrian crossing where the Cunningham's pier line went through? (roughly)
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Is the predestrian crossing where the Cunningham's pier line went through? (roughly)
"Brendan03"

I like drawing in Microsoft Paint.

Green is about where the crossing is, blue is where the line went, red marks where the reservation has bot been built on. The bridge under Mercer Street still exists on the eastern (right hand) side. Brougham Street is at the top.

  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Is the predestrian crossing where the Cunningham's pier line went through? (roughly)
"Brendan03"

I like drawing in Microsoft Paint.

Green is about where the crossing is, blue is where the line went, red marks where the reservation has bot been built on. The bridge under Mercer Street still exists on the eastern (right hand) side. Brougham Street is at the top.

"wongm"


Thanks MsPaintWong.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

The bridge under Mercer Street still exists on the eastern (right hand) side. Brougham Street is at the top.


The bridge under Mercer St is now believed to be a shooting practice range for police!
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

It's a great solution, pity about


Solution???

Does a solution normally require a traffic attendant to redirect cars away from the bus/taxi area?

Plus, extra traffic lights ain't no solution with so many in that area already.

I can't really see what the point of this new entrance is.  Its cost lots of money, its upset the police who have lost their car park and its reduced the number of car park positions at Geelong station.

Can anyone explain why it was done?
  ppiglet Chief Train Controller

Makes it easier for the buses, keeps them clear of the cars.  Also, buses that come from Northern Suburbs of Geelong can exit/enter straight to Mercer St without having to do the whole loop around.

2 enterances to the station is always a good idea.

I believe the original plan was to cut across the old service station so the buses could enter straight into Brougham St as well, providing direct access into the city, especially for the city circle bus.  It would've been better still.

But alas...I guess it's Vicroads beaurocracy:  Massive intersection is created out of Brougham St / Mercer St / Station enterance / Bayley St which means everyone has to wait sooo long to get their turn and its made it almost no advantage for cars.  

Not only constricting Mercer St, but certainly not allowing for hurried access to the station, or easy drop off nearby, which should be integral to all station design.

At least buses get unrestricted access at the original Fenwick St enterance, which is a big advantage.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Also, buses that come from Northern Suburbs of Geelong can exit/enter straight to Mercer St without having to do the whole loop around.
"ppiglet"

That bit was omitted: if buses come from the north, they still need to use Railway Terrace. There is no link between the new and old entrances, with two rows of bollards blocking access.

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