A home for all 'Where Is It' threads

 
  MBAX Chief Commissioner

Location: Mostly the Imperial
"Where is it's" are very popular and every state (sometimes state and metro area) seems to have one.

Unfortunately when things are running slowly (when it's busy?) you can wait a while to get into the state you want. On arrival you find that there is no new news but just another entry into the "Where is it" section.

Would it be possible to group all the "Where is it's" into their own subject heading? No reason why you couldn't have separate threads for each state, metro and others, same as now. This way we can keep the news separate from what is obviously a popular but irrelevant topic where it currently is.

Just a thought.

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  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Seeing as those threads are often stickied and therefore separate I can't see the point.
  MBAX Chief Commissioner

Location: Mostly the Imperial
Seeing as those threads are often stickied and therefore separate I can't see the point.
"alstom_888m"


The point is when you look at the index page all you get is a user name and time of the last post. You can't see that it's a "Where is it" post until you go into NSW etc. and if the server is running slowly then it all takes time - for nothing in my case as I don't go in for that. I know a lot do though.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
If the threads are causing  thr system to slow, I'll bet that no matter where they are, they will slow you down. So why move them !

Not saying the idea hasn't merit, a Quiz + "what/where is it" type area may be great for those into that part of Railpage.  I just do not think it would speed things up as the sole reason to do it.  I suppose never say never.
  MBAX Chief Commissioner

Location: Mostly the Imperial
If the threads are causing  thr system to slow, I'll bet that no matter where they are, they will slow you down. So why move them !

Not saying the idea hasn't merit, a Quiz + "what/where is it" type area may be great for those into that part of Railpage Australia™.  I just do not think it would speed things up as the sole reason to do it.  I suppose never say never.
"dthead"


Not saying that they are causing things to slow. Just that it would make for easier browsing having "where is it" type threads out of the news areas.

Look at "locomotives and rolling stock" for instance. We have a thread with heaps of entries trying to guess the number of a locomotive from a photo. It isn't a sticky either. It's not news.

I just find it cluttered, and going into say NSW to look at what you think is a new news item only to find it is a "where is it" entry is a waste of time for me.

As I said, just a thought.
  railtrack Station Master

Location: Geelong, VIC
I think they are fine where they are. If I want to participate in the Victorian "where is it" threads I know they are going to be in the Victorian forum, and having them stuck to the top makes them easier to find. Not only that but as dthead has pointed out, however they get rearranged isn't going to make accessing them any quicker. Perhaps you could bookmark the threads of interest to your browser, that way you can navigate directly to the thread(s) you want?
  MBAX Chief Commissioner

Location: Mostly the Imperial
I think they are fine where they are. If I want to participate in the Victorian "where is it" threads I know they are going to be in the Victorian forum, and having them stuck to the top makes them easier to find. Not only that but as dthead has pointed out, however they get rearranged isn't going to make accessing them any quicker. Perhaps you could bookmark the threads of interest to your browser, that way you can navigate directly to the thread(s) you want?
"railtrack"


I would have thought that for those who participate in the "where is it" type threads having them all in one place would be easier. Then you don't have to go into each individual state (metro as well AND locos etc etc) to find what you are looking for.

I tend to look at all of the state and loco type forums for news. Bookmarking them doesn't tell me that there has been a new entry, only the index page does that and as I have said after waiting to get in only to find that the latest entry is someone guessing what a loco number is can be basically a waste of time for those who don't participate.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I do know where Mbax is comming from.  It is why I have tried a few times to redice the sticky threads etc with a summary thread. Which has not worked for many. Yet other Liked the idea.

It is a let down when you notice activity in  a forum to find it is only  one of those quiz threads. On the same lines those who are into those threads ar elet down when they find some topic was posted and not the reply to their guess !

If all the quizs were int he same forumI think they would not work as well. As many know many poster here may only read several forums that interest them. If the quiz was elsewhere thay may just not bother as ( to them) others not really into theit quiz category may answer or post in a quiz which normally they would not bother with.

An Interesting discussion indeed. Let's not say it will or will not happen. Let's see what other people think of the idea.

Regards,
David Head
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
I use the Victorian and Melbourne Suburban ones regularly and I'd whole-heartedly agree with MBAX.

The Where Am I/Where Is It threads are the only dribble-free parts of RP left as it is to a large extent self-moderating (with one notable exception), informative and not tolerating of dribblers and soapboxers.

It encourages out-of-state participation and encourages people to learn about areas out of their interest.

It's a complete winner.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Agree with DT on all counts.
  Loco Administrator Railpage 2 Developer

Location: Banned
I can also see where MBAX is coming from.

I often load up various state forums, to see what new posts are available and all that I see is another post in a Where is it quiz. It can get very frustrating at times, you go back and try again in another forum for general forum discussion.

I would give a vote of yes, to support this.

How about a poll folks, do you want one?

Regards,

Lionel.
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Yes im with MBAX and Loco on this one.
A forum just called....Railway Quizzes....that way they are all in one spot and easy to keep track of.
  Metro Transit Minister for Railways

Location: Error.
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  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Yeah, load a poll. It will be short and fast.
  MBAX Chief Commissioner

Location: Mostly the Imperial
I can also see where MBAX is coming from.

I often load up various state forums, to see what new posts are available and all that I see is another post in a Where is it quiz. It can get very frustrating at times, you go back and try again in another forum for general forum discussion.

I would give a vote of yes, to support this.

How about a poll folks, do you want one?

Regards,

Lionel.
"Loco"


Thanks Loco, see how we go, as I said originally it was an idea, nothing more.
  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
I support a Railway Quiz section - great idea!
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

I don't support such a move. I visit a few state forums for news, as well as the quizzes. If you have a separate forum for the quiz, then that's just another forum I would need to visit. There are many threads in each forum I am not interested in, but they also show as "unread" meaning I have to open the forum only to find nothing in which I am interested.

It seems MBAX is using the indicators on the main page to decide whether there are any unread posts. Personally I think getting those fixed, so that whole forums don't magically appear as "read" when I haven't visited them, would be a much better use of the developers time...

Why are the International Forums always "read". Why do forums I have never ever visited show there are no unread posts? Why do forums show as having unread posts at 8am, but when I call back at 10am they have magically become "read'.

Sorry - that's probably a new thread in itself...
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
The indicators show forums with unread posts since your last visit.

Sometimes for reasons I don't understand the date & time of your last visit seems to reset even though you haven't logged out. This doesn't happen on any other forum I visit regularly as far as I have ever noticed.
  Sydney_Gunzel Chief Commissioner

Location: The Red Lines.
The indicators show forums with unread posts since your last visit.

Sometimes for reasons I don't understand the date & time of your last visit seems to reset even though you haven't logged out. This doesn't happen on any other forum I visit regularly as far as I have ever noticed.
"Graham4405"

Don't PHP based forums set you as 'logged out' if you don't do anything for 5 minutes?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The indicators show forums with unread posts since your last visit.
"Graham4405"

What a bizarre design! So if I have 5 minutes to spare, login and read the posts in one forum (or possibly even just one thread in one forum) and then logout again, the assumption is made that every single post in every forum is also "read". That certainly doesn't happen in any other forum I read, where individual threads withing forums will remain unread forever, until I read that thread.

Sometimes for reasons I don't understand the date & time of your last visit seems to reset even though you haven't logged out. This doesn't happen on any other forum I visit regularly as far as I have ever noticed.


Actually I don't explicitly logout ever. RP tends to be opened at 8am when I start for the day, and sits in a tab often unread for hours. I see this reset occur during the day for no particular reason that I can fathom. So if I don't logout ever, when *should* the time of the last visit be reset?
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
If you do not log out, but do not come back to Railpage for a while you will find yourself automatically logged out by the server, when Railpage was forever posting the toaster, most times you could not log out, but when you finally did get back on you had to log in again, I do not know how long this is set for but it still does it, even now, this could be the reason Duttonbay! 8)
  Crazy-D Chief Train Controller

@Graham4405
It really just depends on the software that is being used. As this forum is using an older version of forum software it doesn't function as you think it would. It functions in a pretty simple way based on your last visit, not so much what you actually have or have not read.

On the other hand, for newer forum software such as phpBB3 and vBulletin (newer versions) it will actually function just as that. If you haven't read it, it'll state that, otherwise it will mark it as read. One thing I am not sure of however is whether or not that data of what you have read is stored locally or on the server.

@daVid Peters
If you have cleared your cookies, or a cookie from Railpage has expired then you will no longer be logged in on the next visit. Your details (in a hash or something alike) for the auto login are stored there.

@Sydney_Gunzel
Not necessarily because of PHP. It depends on how sessions are managed by either the software or the server. Also another reason is whether or not you have selected a remember me.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

It really just depends on the software that is being used. As this forum is using an older version of forum software it doesn't function as you think it would. It functions in a pretty simple way based on your last visit, not so much what you actually have or have not read.
"Crazy-D"

Well, that may start to explain the behaviour, but if so, it's buggy anyway.

Today I was reading RP at noon, and then shut my PC down, without logging out of RP. I logged into a different PC later in the evening, perhaps at 9pm, and found that postings made as late as 5:20pm were being shown as "read".  How can that be ... I had not used RP for nine hours?

I don't like this behaviour at all. It's frustrating having to look at the date and time of the last posting in a forum to decide whether there's unread postings.

But, if RP is built on old, buggy software, then I guess we all need to throw some more 10-cent pieces in the donations tin and try to get the software upgraded.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
This has gone off topic. Posts about php driven forums logging users out after 5 minutes of inactivity has absolutely nothing to do with the thread.

loco, where is the poll you said you would add to this topic?

We need to bring this to a satisfactory conclusion.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Apologies, I drove this off-topic by pointing out that relying on the "unread postings" indicator is not a guaranteed way to find that there's a new posting in a forum.

The original posting said this:

Unfortunately when things are running slowly (when it's busy?) you can wait a while to get into the state you want. On arrival you find that there is no new news but just another entry into the "Where is it" section.

Would it be possible to group all the "Where is it's" into their own subject heading? No reason why you couldn't have separate threads for each state, metro and others, same as now. This way we can keep the news separate from what is obviously a popular but irrelevant topic where it currently is.


I would like to turn that around. I am interested in a small number of state forums. Why should I, when Railpage is running slowly, have to go into a combined Where Is It forum, only to find that the only new posting is for a state in which I don't partake in the quizzes? That's exactly the situation that MBAX doesn't like, and his proposal is going to pass that problem only people like me who do enjoy the quizzes and also read the postings in the forums.

I go into a forum to read the news and look at the quizzes, and would certainly vote a resounding no should anybody be interested enough to create a poll for this subject.

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