The end of manual doors

 
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Posted here on Monday night:

The final run for three car N 15 will be in the morning, then off to Newport, for Standard Gauge conversion
"SN7"

It also brings to an end 150-something years of manual doors on Victorian trains (excluding heritage stock).

Here it was Tuesday morning before shunting out:
[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/vline-southern-cross/image/500/D834_3475.jpg[/img]




Set FN19 was the first N set to get fitted with power doors as a trial, here is was soon after being fitted in December 2005:
[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/vline-bits/image/500/230_3054_fn19_doors.jpg[/img]

The initial door lamps were different to those eventually fitted to all sets. It ran around with only the 3 'N' cars until March 2006:
[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/vline-melbourne/image/500/259_5908.jpg[/img]



Since then time was running out for photos like these... 8)

Conductor on a train departing South Geelong:
[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/vline-geelong/image/500/D170_7061_n473_n463_sog.jpg[/img]

Departing Newport South:
[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/vline-melbourne/image/500/D236_3684.jpg[/img]

Departing Geelong:
[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/vline-geelong/image/500/252_5225.jpg[/img]

A passing freight at Lara:
[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/geelong-standard-gauge/image/500/D769_6997.jpg[/img]

South Kensington:
[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/vlinecars.com-swan-hill-trip/image/500/D124_2427.jpg[/img]

Entering the Bunbury Street tunnel;
[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/brooklyn-goods-line/image/500/D334_3498.jpg[/img]

On the goods lines at West Footscray, looking over at the pass lines:
[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/brooklyn-goods-line/image/500/D335_3511.jpg[/img]

A bit further along at Tottenham;
[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/brooklyn-goods-line/image/500/D335_3524.jpg[/img]

[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/brooklyn-goods-line/image/500/D335_3563.jpg[/img]




Not quite 'end of an era' as then the last wooden carriages left service, but as close as we will get until loco hauled trains go.

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

Idea  Well done Marcus.
  712M Chief Commissioner

I thought H sets still had manual doors. Question
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
They never did. They've always had "Power closing doors" like the Comeng, Hitachi, and Refurbished Harris do.
  712M Chief Commissioner

They never did. They've always had "Power closing doors" like the Comeng, Hitachi, and Refurbished Harris do.
"alstom_888m"


What about the MTH cars? If they still exist...
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I hate to start a flamewar against myself, but how come you went via Bunbury St, Is that some regular event now?
  vlocity160 V/Gunzel

I hate to start a flamewar against myself, but how come you went via Bunbury St, Is that some regular event now?
"Brendan03"
Nope, it isn't. This happened due to an incident on the Werribee Line somewhere, Hoppers Crossing if I recall correctly and the train was diverted onto the freight lines.
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I hate to start a flamewar against myself, but how come you went via Bunbury St, Is that some regular event now?
"Brendan03"
Nope, it isn't. This happened due to an incident on the Werribee Line somewhere, Hoppers Crossing if I recall correctly and the train was diverted onto the freight lines.
"vlocity160"


Ohh okay, That doesn't really make any sense? If it was between Newport and Maribyrnong River Goods line Jn (Don't know the formal name of it) I could understand them running it via Tottenham etc but if the incident is at Hoppers Crossing, It's still going to encounter the problem, regardless of routing?
  G516 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere at Steamrail
I hate to start a flamewar against myself, but how come you went via Bunbury St, Is that some regular event now?
"Brendan03"
Nope, it isn't. This happened due to an incident on the Werribee Line somewhere, Hoppers Crossing if I recall correctly and the train was diverted onto the freight lines.
"vlocity160"


And one time i was on an Up Geelong and there were some power problems at Newport so they diverted us through the goods lines, but that was on a V/locity. It was the day that W241 took down the overhead (well it looked like it as we went past the station)
  VBAndy Chief Commissioner

This happened due to an incident on the Werribee Line somewhere, Hoppers Crossing if I recall correctl.
"vlocity160"

Wasn't it a crash at the crossing at Yarraville?
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
This happened due to an incident on the Werribee Line somewhere, Hoppers Crossing if I recall correctl.
"vlocity160"

Wasn't it a crash at the crossing at Yarraville?
"VBAndy"


Ohh, I think I just clicked, That's photo Marcus' posted is actually from that time you mentioned (Anderson St accident with the Vlo)

I thought all the pics posted were from all from a recent trip until I realised he was just summarizing photos taken out of the door
  vlocity160 V/Gunzel

This happened due to an incident on the Werribee Line somewhere, Hoppers Crossing if I recall correctl.
"vlocity160"

Wasn't it a crash at the crossing at Yarraville?
"VBAndy"
It may have been, I can't seem to find any info on this sorry.
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I found these, Marcus will have to pick which one it was

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/cyclist-dies-at-level-crossing/2007/10/24/1192941133820.html

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21989549-661,00.html

I remember reading his thread on it when it happened now, I just can't remember when it was.
  Taitset Chief Commissioner

Location: Eltham, (former) vintage safeworking capital of Melbourne
They never did. They've always had "Power closing doors" like the Comeng, Hitachi, and Refurbished Harris do.
"alstom_888m"


What about the MTH cars? If they still exist...
"712M"

The MTH cars are now stored at Newport, and have been fitted with powered doors for several years.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
I thought H sets still had manual doors.
"712M"

I was on a H set with "power stay open" doors the other week. The train departed Wallan, the doors didn't shut so I went up to close them, but they were locked in the open position. Unfortunately it was only an N class up front (not the A class like a few years back) and they closed by themselves before the summit of Heathcote Junction. Sad

I found these, Marcus will have to pick which one it was

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/cyclist-dies-at-level-crossing/2007/
"Brendan03"

This one going by the date on my photo. Smile
  route14 Chief Commissioner

You can power them open using the key.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
You can power them open using the key.
"route14"
For H sets you can only 'pop' them open for passengers to pull - I don't think you can force them to fully open remotely. I don't think any Victorian have the feature - or we never use it. Confused
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Heard some discussion about the current configuration of doors is unsafe, and unreliable. Wobbly, noisy doors leaking wind, etc. Closers on the inside, etcetera, etcetera.

I tried this out, yes, wobbly doors, leaking road noise and letting wind in. Yesterday.

Expect significant changes once someone jumps out and does some bad damage to themselves.  Jumping out happened the other night, I am told.

I confess I have never liked the inward opening/closing door. Pax can jam them getting on late, coming out of the toilets, etc.  Wonder why a slider design was never trialled.
  territoryexpress Train Controller

Location: on a slow freight headed south
the MTH's used to be manual but were then converted to 'power close only' , you still had to open them by hand after the conductor unlocked em
  Taitset Chief Commissioner

Location: Eltham, (former) vintage safeworking capital of Melbourne
you still had to open them by hand after the conductor unlocked em
"territoryexpress"

...Like all Victorian trains.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

You can power them open using the key.
"route14"
For H sets you can only 'pop' them open for passengers to pull - I don't think you can force them to fully open remotely. I don't think any Victorian have the feature - or we never use it. Confused
"wongm"

I've seen a crew doing that on a Seymour train, and the train was in motion.
  Turbo Thomas Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Now that there are no manual doors, I hope it brings an end to those stupid announcements - "please make sure that the platform is there before leaving the train".
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Now that there are no manual doors, I hope it brings an end to those stupid announcements - "please make sure that the platform is there before leaving the train".
"Turbo Thomas"


The announcements are still being made, at least, they are the Shepparton line. You can *just*  fit four cars in at Nagambie, Murchison East and Mooroopna.

There would be other platforms where that announcement is needed.
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
IMHO the only reason those announcements are "needed" is the general dumbing down of society and the nanny state mentality. Surely it would be rather obvious to check that you are in the platform before stepping out of the train. It's common sense.

As far as the power doors go, I think it's absurd that they needed to go to that extreme on older rolling stock. They introduce unecessary complexity into the carriages that only increases the amount of equipment that can fail and cause a train to be booked out of service.

IMHO the doors I've seen in other states (flap over the handle in NSW or a button + handle combination latch in Queensland) are very simple solutions (they've probably been superseeded by now). While they don't stop someone from opening a door if they really want to, they act as a reminder that this is not a normal door and it requires the user of the door to conciously make the decision to open the door.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Open the pod bay doors, HAL.


I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

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