3642 repaint

 
  Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

ArchTube, that 2nd panoramic shot of the 3 6 4 2 is absolutely magnificent. Thanks for sharing! Smile

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  G41 Chief Commissioner

Location: Footplate of any K class
I can honestly state that I was never a huge fan of the NSWGR Steamers....but after a recent trip to Sydney for the Blue Mountains Triple header, I was rather impressed with the 32 and 36....which prompted me to buy the Traino 32......to run on a VR layout Confused

Anywho.....well done to the guys at RTM. The loco looks fantastic:)
  VBAndy Chief Commissioner

whats with this "The  3 6 4 2" stuff? Its just plain old 3642, no need for the addition of "the" or seperating the numbers.

Its looking great guys, well done on the efforts made so far.
  G41 Chief Commissioner

Location: Footplate of any K class
whats with this "The 3 6 4 2" stuff? Its just plain old 3642, no need for the addition of "the" or seperating the numbers.


Must be the heat.... Embarassed
  3810 Station Master

Location: Never you mind
The 3 6 4 2 is looking great Exclamation  Well done to all involved in getting it looking good for FoS Very Happy
  Jajb94 Deputy Commissioner

Location: In a BAM
Must be the heat...
  I think you mean... "the h e a t" Laughing
3642 looked better when it was all the same colour...Black 8)
  MBAX Chief Commissioner

Location: Mostly the Imperial
Must be the heat...
  I think you mean... "the h e a t" Laughing
3642 looked better when it was all the same colour...Black 8)
"Jajb94"


Agree totally, that faded green looks terrible.
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
whats with this "The  3 6 4 2" stuff? Its just plain old 3642, no need for the addition of "the" or seperating the numbers.
"VBAndy"


It's called a P1SS take.
  Pullman Station Staff

Location: With the other fool on the hill
Must be the heat...
  I think you mean... "the h e a t" Laughing
3642 looked better when it was all the same colour...Black 8)
"Jajb94"


Indeed. If engines must be green, paint 3526 green. At least it was green in the late '30's early '40's.

Maybe if there was a uber rich philanthropist out there who's a steam tragic, they could finance a roundtop boiler from Meiningen for 3609.  Very Happy

Then we could have a real green Pig  Wink
  elsoxo Train Controller

Location: Brisbane
I'm content to see it operational regardless of colour but if it was never green in service I would prefer it black.
  4426 Chief Commissioner

Location: BUSY GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES
In my opinion the engines should be painted as follows

3642 - Black
3526 - Caves Express Blue
2705 - Black ( Did 27class ever run in Green when in NSWGR Service? )
3801 - Green

And if 3609 or 3616 were to be restored
Then maybe they could carry Green.

Which also leaves a question for those who know.

Did 3609 carry a special livery as 3265 does for the Carrying of the nameplates?

But yes that is just MY opinion.
  KngtRider Chief Commissioner

Location: http://www.nitroware.net
" 3616 had been statically displayed in lined green livery at the NSWRTM during the 1970's but had become faded and rust-streaked by 1988 when it was repainted in unlined black"
http://www.australiansteam.com/nswgr.htm

I have seen a photo of 16 in preservation service, in green and in steam at Campbelltown though.
  4426 Chief Commissioner

Location: BUSY GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES
" 3616 had been statically displayed in lined green livery at the NSWRTM during the 1970's but had become faded and rust-streaked by 1988 when it was repainted in unlined black"
http://www.australiansteam.com/nswgr.htm

I have seen a photo of 16 in preservation service, in green and in steam at Campbelltown though.
"KngtRider"


One can also see the green showing through the black on 3609 as well mate.
  Pullman Station Staff

Location: With the other fool on the hill
In my opinion the engines should be painted as follows

3642 - Black
3526 - Caves Express Blue
2705 - Black ( Did 27class ever run in Green when in NSWGR Service? )
3801 - Green

And if 3609 or 3616 were to be restored
Then maybe they could carry Green.

Which also leaves a question for those who know.

Did 3609 carry a special livery as 3265 does for the Carrying of the nameplates?

But yes that is just MY opinion.
"4426"


4426.
Z27's were never painted green and were always paint in unlined black so having 2705 in green is not historically accurate. Z27's were mainly used as good's engines on the branches around Moree so definitely would never have carried green. The Z12's also based at Moree for passenger working's were potentially green depending what time frame and which engines were based there (only a small number were painted green)

Prior to 2705's current restoration, she was in Vintage train service and was painted in lined (buff and vermillion) black.

3609, named Hawkesbury, along with 3608, Hunter, were painted in the the then standard passenger engine livery of verdant green. 3633 and 3640 served as backup engines to 3608 and 3609. 3633 was also the first C36 to be painted green in Feb 1934.

Altogether, there were 3/Z12, 32/C32, 2/C34, 27/C35 and 29/C36 painted in verdant green prior to the Second World War.

By the way, C35's would need to be in their unrebuilt form to be historically accurate to wear Caledonian blue. Having said that, Caledonian deep blue is my all-time favourite locomotive livery and CR903, Cardean is the bee's knees.

Anyway. I think we're very lucky to have anything in steam and my thanks goes out to all the Societies and volunteers that restore and maintain our heritage fleets.

Cheers
  4426 Chief Commissioner

Location: BUSY GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES
In my opinion the engines should be painted as follows

3642 - Black
3526 - Caves Express Blue
2705 - Black ( Did 27class ever run in Green when in NSWGR Service? )
3801 - Green

And if 3609 or 3616 were to be restored
Then maybe they could carry Green.

Which also leaves a question for those who know.

Did 3609 carry a special livery as 3265 does for the Carrying of the nameplates?

But yes that is just MY opinion.
"4426"


4426.
Z27's were never painted green and were always paint in unlined black so having 2705 in green is not historically accurate. Z27's were mainly used as good's engines on the branches around Moree so definitely would never have carried green. The Z12's also based at Moree for passenger working's were potentially green depending what time frame and which engines were based there (only a small number were painted green)

Prior to 2705's current restoration, she was in Vintage train service and was painted in lined (buff and vermillion) black.

3609, named Hawkesbury, along with 3608, Hunter, were painted in the the then standard passenger engine livery of verdant green. 3633 and 3640 served as backup engines to 3608 and 3609. 3633 was also the first C36 to be painted green in Feb 1934.

Altogether, there were 3/Z12, 32/C32, 2/C34, 27/C35 and 29/C36 painted in verdant green prior to the Second World War.

By the way, C35's would need to be in their unrebuilt form to be historically accurate to wear Caledonian blue. Having said that, Caledonian deep blue is my all-time favourite locomotive livery and CR903, Cardean is the bee's knees.

Anyway. I think we're very lucky to have anything in steam and my thanks goes out to all the Societies and volunteers that restore and maintain our heritage fleets.

Cheers
"Pullman"


Thanks for your reply and all the historical information there. Well Done

I recall that the 27class were based out of the Narrabri Depot after being absorbed into the NSWGR after being purchased by the then NSWPWD for construction duties.

So even then the engines would have been black as there would be no use having any other color for them as a construction/shunting loco.
  Pullman Station Staff

Location: With the other fool on the hill
No problemo!!

And of course, you are quite correct re: 27's based at Narrabri  Drunk

Cheers
  NSWRTM123 Chief Commissioner

Location: Looking for my house. Has anyone seen it?
Maybe if there was a uber rich philanthropist out there who's a steam tragic, they could finance a roundtop boiler from Meiningen for 3609.  Very Happy
"Pullman"

And a set of Hawkesbury name plates.
  4426 Chief Commissioner

Location: BUSY GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES
Come to think of it isnt there a few roundtop 36 class boilers being used as stationary boilers at a workshop somewhere?
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

In my opinion the engines should be painted as follows

3642 - Black
3526 - Caves Express Blue
2705 - Black ( Did 27class ever run in Green when in NSWGR Service? )
3801 - Green

And if 3609 or 3616 were to be restored
Then maybe they could carry Green.

Which also leaves a question for those who know.

Did 3609 carry a special livery as 3265 does for the Carrying of the nameplates?

But yes that is just MY opinion.
"4426"




As has been covered in some replies, but otherwise expanded here ... ...

NO 36 class in their rebuilt condition were painted anything other than in various black schemes in general service.   True, 3609, 3616 & 3642 all have been painted green in preservation, but this is historically inaccurate.   When a number of 36 class were repainted into passenger green in the 1930s, they were all in "original" condition with round-top boilers.

As evidenced in various photographs, the 35 class painted for the Caves Express were in original or unrebuilt condition.   Accordingly, 3526 should not be repainted to a blue livery.   However, some rebuilt 35 class appeared in the passenger green livery and so there would be no historical problem as to why 3526 could not be so painted.   (Except I like ti in plain black!)

27 class were only painted black when in NSWR service.   During their NSWR service, they were always based at Narrabri West.   It should be remembered that the 27 class underwent a mjor rebuilt whilst in NSWR service and so look little like their original state when obtained by the Public Works Department for railway construction works.

In general service, 3801 has carried various liveries, from wartime grey, passenger green and black.   It has carried all of these as well during preservation.

Back in the late 1960s / early 1970s, the NSWR took the view that if one or more of a class of locomotive appeared in any livery during its working life, then a preserved member of the class could also be repainted into that livery - even if the livery had not been carried by locomotives in a rebuilt condition.   I do not agree with that view.

3609 had been painted green in its original condition when it also carried nameplates.   The subsequent painted into green livery in preservation was not historically correct.

The 36 class boilers that had been used for stationary purposes were Belpaire, and not roundtops.
  traincatcher Junior Train Controller

Must be the heat...
  I think you mean... "the h e a t" Laughing
3642 looked better when it was all the same colour...Black 8)
"Jajb94"


Agree totally, that faded green looks terrible.
"MBAX"

Perhaps instead of sooking about the boiler colour, you could give some thanks to the guys (and girl) who gave up a week of they're time to paint below the running board and smokebox.

I think most people would like to see the whole loco black. But its NOT going to happen so why not focus on the positives not the negatives! It looks alot better than it did at the end of the steam season!
  Jajb94 Deputy Commissioner

Location: In a BAM
I think most people would like to see the whole loco black. But its NOT going to happen

You are right, lets start work on returning 3616 to steam instead Mwa ha ha ha!
  4426 Chief Commissioner

Location: BUSY GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES
In my opinion the engines should be painted as follows

3642 - Black
3526 - Caves Express Blue
2705 - Black ( Did 27class ever run in Green when in NSWGR Service? )
3801 - Green

And if 3609 or 3616 were to be restored
Then maybe they could carry Green.

Which also leaves a question for those who know.

Did 3609 carry a special livery as 3265 does for the Carrying of the nameplates?

But yes that is just MY opinion.
"4426"




As has been covered in some replies, but otherwise expanded here ... ...

NO 36 class in their rebuilt condition were painted anything other than in various black schemes in general service.   True, 3609, 3616 & 3642 all have been painted green in preservation, but this is historically inaccurate.   When a number of 36 class were repainted into passenger green in the 1930s, they were all in "original" condition with round-top boilers.

As evidenced in various photographs, the 35 class painted for the Caves Express were in original or unrebuilt condition.   Accordingly, 3526 should not be repainted to a blue livery.   However, some rebuilt 35 class appeared in the passenger green livery and so there would be no historical problem as to why 3526 could not be so painted.   (Except I like ti in plain black!)

27 class were only painted black when in NSWR service.   During their NSWR service, they were always based at Narrabri West.   It should be remembered that the 27 class underwent a mjor rebuilt whilst in NSWR service and so look little like their original state when obtained by the Public Works Department for railway construction works.

In general service, 3801 has carried various liveries, from wartime grey, passenger green and black.   It has carried all of these as well during preservation.

Back in the late 1960s / early 1970s, the NSWR took the view that if one or more of a class of locomotive appeared in any livery during its working life, then a preserved member of the class could also be repainted into that livery - even if the livery had not been carried by locomotives in a rebuilt condition.   I do not agree with that view.

3609 had been painted green in its original condition when it also carried nameplates.   The subsequent painted into green livery in preservation was not historically correct.

The 36 class boilers that had been used for stationary purposes were Belpaire, and not roundtops.
"hunslet1915"


Thanks for that Hunslet1915 very informative and appreciated.

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