Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Sorry, no Myki mates on buses so afar as I know.  And with such a large and dispersed bus network the chances of meeting one would be about the same as the proverbial needle in a haystack.

I have yet to see a Myki mate at a station though of course I know they exist and are out there somewhere.

The latest version of Myki "help" from our local bus drivers seems to be "Stick with the old system if the new doesn't work", which sits uncomfortably alongside the previous advice to Metcard users to "Swipe it on the new thing now" if the ticket or validator was playing up!

As well a Myki user was greeted by a 782 driver tersely with "I hope you're not going past Balnarring with that".  In other words beyond Zone 2.

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  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I'm sure there'd probably still be a running thread on it if the Internet existed when metcard was introduced Razz
"Brendan03"


http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=metcard

Note all the posts from the late-90s during the Metcard rollout.


Daniel
"dbowen"


Thanks danny boy. Will have a look when I get back home. The iPad is great for normal forums but I'm not game to attempt google groups on this.

Calt, perhaps best keep your head low and mouth shut for a while unless you want this job to go the same way your last two dozen did.

Gwiwer, mates have been placed at bus interchanges, many stations in the suburbs including staffed and non staffed as well as bus interchanges and platform stops, I believe they've also been working onboard trams since the launch.
  Attila76 Junior Train Controller


APU AOs regularly travel in cabs, as again they think they’re slightly better than everyone else because they’re plain clothed! so people that don’t have the proper authority travel in cabs all the time.
"calt"


Are you talking about during work hours or after work? During working hours, APU usually travel in cars. When they do take the train, they're out looking for graffers and new graffiti on the line, you get the best vantage point from the cab. From the windows in the carriage, you aren't likely to see as much especially at night when you see bugger all.

They don't think they're better than everyone because they're plain clothed, they think they're better than everyone because their job largely consists of driving around, sitting about, booking someone once a fortnight, and getting heaps of praise for it  Laughing

My contention is that it already happens, so ‘brendan03’, take your pre-set ways of thinking somewhere else. Sure sometimes rules are bent, but this is an everyday occurrence. If the two are happy enough to travel together, then I’m sure you can charge your HHDs as well.
"calt"


AO's are allowed to travel in cabs (according to the Transport Regs.) but it is ultimately up to the driver. Cabs aren't particularly spacious to begin with, the HHD's and their chargers aren't small, and there would be cables everywhere. It just isn't practical. Sometimes it's on as soon as you walk into the train, no time to shuffle into a cab to get a HHD. The same goes for getting off the train, it isn't always a leisurely exit. No time for logging on/off. You'd also have passengers following you in, not always with the best intentions either.

Human nature (and AO's are human, or so they tell me) dictates laziness and complacency, so you'd have AO's not replacing HHD's because they can't be stuffed. Some trains would have none, some would have too many, most not charging.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Ultimately the cab is the driver's workspace and they are the individual responsible for the train, its safety and that of all those on board.  It must be a matter for personal choice within the Rules as to whether a driver permits anyone else to travel with them.

Melbourne cabs are remarkably spacious by the standards of many other operators.  Try squeezing in with the driver in a British emu cab for example!

There is a small operational need for observations to be made from the cab as mentioned when attempting to detect offences of vandalism but since our trains are no longer designed nor equipped to operate with guards (whether they travel in a rear cab or elsewhere) then likewise there is nowhere else for AOs to travel.

In any case they should be out and about in the passenger saloons performing the role they are there to do.  If the HHDs cannot be relied upon to operate as intended then that is surely a matter for the supplier and customer to resolve.  And given the blowout in costs already I would hope this to be at the supplier's cost.
  Tool Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
2 of my early morning Parliament touch offs this week are listed as 'fare product sale'. This is using myki pass. The card has a balance which hasn't been touched.

huh?
  mrmoopt Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Calt, perhaps best keep your head low and mouth shut for a while unless you want this job to go the same way your last two dozen did.
“Brendan03”


whatever you say, but I can say my work history has a much better track record than you say it is, after all, it’s mine and not yours.

Dismissing me at work currently for doing my job correctly due to having different ideas is actually a form of harassment. I’m saying this because ‘brendan03’ you’re not my boss. And even if they do, I have the capacity to find another job. Smile

But thanks for your concern. I really appreciate it.

Just for the record, if we pay by old school convention rule of tenure, I’ve been on this open forum longer than you have. Respect different views.
  SueB Locomotive Fireman

Location: Mt Evelyn
I'm willing to give Myki a go at least for a month.  I'm 50 years old but we have to keep up with the technology.  I remember Metcard being introduced years ago too.  I also remember the days when we all had to buy single tickets on trams in the 1970s.  People don't like change but I think we have to give it a go at least.  I remember the red rattlers with all the doors open wide on a hot day.  Now people complain if a door is stuck open on today's trains. Laughing

I'm sure in a year or so we won't even be complaining about Myki.
  liron Junior Train Controller

I remember the red rattlers with all the doors open wide on a hot day.  Now people complain if a door is stuck open on today's trains. Laughing
"SueB"


Yes I remember.  I heard tha these days, if a door is stuck open the train won't even leave.

Liron
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Sorry, no Myki mates on buses so afar as I know.
"Gwiwer"
They were at the Box Hill bus interchange about two weeks ago.
  SueB Locomotive Fireman

Location: Mt Evelyn
Sorry, no Myki mates on buses so afar as I know.
"Gwiwer"
They were at the Box Hill bus interchange about two weeks ago.
"Sir Thomas Bent"


Thanks "Sir Thomas Bent".  I'll get my mum to look out for them.  I do hope they have patience when talking to older people - the Myki mates all seem to be quite young.

By the way my Mum does go through the Box Hill interchange.  She lives in Burwood but shops in Box Hill.
  AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

Location: Along route 69
Myki Mates have been assigned to major bus interchanges, but aren't always there.
I have seen them at Monash and Chadstone before, so they do exist.

According to MX, there has been a large take-up in myki since they allowed it to be used on trams and buses. Appears that this is what everyone was waiting for.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

Question for Revenue!

I believe that South Australia is signing up to buy Myki to be their ticketing system.

If that is to be the case, is there any possibility of having inter-operability of our Myki cards?  The road toll operators have been able to work together so that the one Tag is able to be read and billed on all Eastern State toll roads.

Being able to use a Victorian Myki card to travel on an SA train would really start to make the card useful.

It would also do wonders for the possibility of selling the Myki system to NSW once it is bedded in.
  AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

Location: Along route 69
DalyWaters, from what I am aware of, yes the cards will be able to work cross-city/area. I know that in Japan this occurs between the operators and cities.

But initially they won't be running them cross-city. The main focus is to get fares working for the area!
  Tremere Train Controller


It would also do wonders for the possibility of selling the Myki system to NSW once it is bedded in.
"DalyWaters"


Interestingly ACS and Keane (as 'Wave consortium') both bid independently for Sydney's contract.. Someone else going to be making myki readers in the future?

Sydney has awarded their latest attempt to Cubic transportation systems.
  dbowen Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I believe that South Australia is signing up to buy Myki to be their ticketing system.
"DalyWaters"


Previous reports said it was a system used in Montreal and Houston.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/patrick-conlon-announces-public-transport-smartcards/story-e6frea6u-1225827904134

http://www.southaustralia.biz/Article/NewsDetail.aspx?id=804


Daniel
  Edith Chief Commissioner

Location: Line 1 from Porte de Vincennes bound for Bastille station
I have recently been using my own MYKI a bit more.  I think it is great.  I do not have to have a pocketful of different Metlink cards - eg Zone1 2 hr, Zone 1/2 2hr, weekend saver, etc.  I hated having commenced a Zone 1 day ticket and then having to make an unexpected visit to Zone 2 territory.  MYKI has changed that for me.  I can be more spontaneous and it will choose the best ticket for me.

The other weekend I neded to visit Sunbury (end of Zone 2 on Vline).  I decided to try out MYKI.  I took my first ride to the city - I was billed for a Zone1 2 hour.  Upon arrival at Sunbury, I was charged the incremental amount to take it to a Zone1/2 2 hr.  Then when I got back to the city, it had upgraded my ticket to a Sunday Saver, with the last journey home from the city at no charge.
  tomohawk Chief Commissioner

Location: Getting The Met to get around
I have recently been using my own MYKI a bit more.  I think it is great.  I do not have to have a pocketful of different Metlink cards - eg Zone1 2 hr, Zone 1/2 2hr, weekend saver, etc.  I hated having commenced a Zone 1 day ticket and then having to make an unexpected visit to Zone 2 territory.  MYKI has changed that for me.  I can be more spontaneous and it will choose the best ticket for me.

The other weekend I neded to visit Sunbury (end of Zone 2 on Vline).  I decided to try out MYKI.  I took my first ride to the city - I was billed for a Zone1 2 hour.  Upon arrival at Sunbury, I was charged the incremental amount to take it to a Zone1/2 2 hr.  Then when I got back to the city, it had upgraded my ticket to a Sunday Saver, with the last journey home from the city at no charge.
"Edith"


Surely that can't be right. If you listen to the gwi...luddites on this forum Myki is going to end the world, rape our children, and cause horses to eat each other.
  SueB Locomotive Fireman

Location: Mt Evelyn
I had my first Myki experience today.  I hadn't used it before as it wasn't available on the bus.  I topped up on line a few days ago with 30 days zone 1 and 2.

I touched on with no problem this morning.  It was confusing as it said zero and no date of expiry but still worked.

Touched on at Lilydale station and then touched off at Flagstaff - still no date of expiry showing which is confusing.  But I presumed it was okay as it let me through.

Touched on coming home tonight and it now shows date of expiry which is also confusing as it says expires 2 October 3am.  This is confusing as it really will expire on the night of 1 October and I need to start a new one on 2 October.  I'll be tucked up in bed at 3am!

Also does anyone know whether eventually the expiry date will show when scanning on at station barriers instead of just saying "CSC pass" Question
  xav Beginner

Today was my first time actually seeing all the boarding passengers using myki!!! 903 bus.
  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

Sue, it's showing the expiry date as correct.

The ticketing day ends at 3am. So "3am October 2" makes perfect sense.

The "CSC Pass" message is simply a limitation of what the frankenbarriers can say, stands for "Customer Smart Card Pass".
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
This, SueB, is why you should trust the dodgy-looking bloke behind the window at Lilydale.
  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

This, SueB, is why you should trust the dodgy-looking bloke behind the window at Lilydale.
"Sir Thomas Bent"


Someone I know? Razz
  dbowen Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Also does anyone know whether eventually the expiry date will show when scanning on at station barriers instead of just saying "CSC pass" Question
"SueB"


Eventually, yes, when the current gates have been replaced.

The new ones will look like this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ptua/3943875943/


Daniel
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
This, SueB, is why you should trust the dodgy-looking bloke behind the window at Lilydale.
"Sir Thomas Bent"


Someone I know? Razz
"heisdeadjim"
Maybe...
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Not to be  a scrooge but.......  

Myki is Suburban Melbourne is it not ??, Ie Trains, Trams and Buses??
ie Not V/Line - as in not country, as in not Victoria forum??

Just a thought  Rolling Eyes

Perhaps I'm wrong - but this thread just looks out of place where it is??

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