Caroline Springs Railway Station (New Stations)

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It is great to see some new stations coming on board in the Melbourne metro area. Caroline Springs being one of these.  Where as I am pleased to see this development I cannot however understand the price tag. $220m for the new stations.  ???

Exactly which new stations are included as this is a huge amount of money?

http://www.transport.vic.gov.au/web23/Home.nsf/AllDocs/9851D78DD0BA972CCA2576250018B115?OpenDocument

Regards
Brian

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  zdl8 Beginner

$220 Mil is for 4 new stations. Cardinia Road, Caroline Springs, Lynbrook and Williams Landing.

See: http://www4.transport.vic.gov.au/vtp/pdfs/new_railway_stations.pdf
  Comeng552M Assistant Commissioner

Location: In Sydney "Fixing the trains"
Cardinia road is to be built on the Pakenham line in-between Officer and Pakenham.
Caroline Springs will be built on the Melton line.
Lynbrook will be built inbetween Dandenong and Merinda Park on the Cranbourne line.
Williams Landing will be built inbetween Aircraft and Hoppers Crossing on the Werribee line.

Construction on the stations will begin later this year.
  joffie Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
In relation to the Melton line, is there any chance of electrification over the next few years? Surely with the growth over the next decade, one hour frequencies will not be acceptable.
  msilsby Deputy Commissioner

Location: Canberra
The inflated figure is because they now include any cost 'associated' with a new station in its price. This is also why the epping line extension has such a huge figure attached to it.

Things like service's being moved, new traffic lights, bus stop signage all add up.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
It is great to see some new stations coming on board in the Melbourne metro area. Caroline Springs being one of these.  Where as I am pleased to see this development I cannot however understand the price tag. $220m for the new stations.  ???

Exactly which new stations are included as this is a huge amount of money?

http://www.transport.vic.gov.au/web23/Home.nsf/AllDocs/9851D78DD0BA972CCA2576250018B115?OpenDocument

Regards
Brian
"bevans"


I found this while trying to determine the cost of Coolaroo ($36million).

“If the Western Australian Government is able to build Greenwood Station in Perth with 400 parking spots for $10 million it is clear that the $36 million pricetag for Coolaroo is grossly overpriced”, said Mr. Makin. “Similarly the Bracks Government appears to able to build a new station in Ballarat within two years and yet is forcing Coolaroo residents and Melbourne’s north to wait at least four years”.

The Craigieburn electrification project, originally estimated at $33 million with a completion date of 2005 has been revised to cost up to $98 million for the 10km project. The Labor Government has budgeted an additional $36 million for the Coolaroo station.

http://www.ptua.org.au/2006/11/16/coolaroo-welcome/
They had to slew the SG line at Coolaroo - this won't be a problem at Williams landing - so $220M for four staions seems way too much.

When the Craigieburn extention was opened in September 2007 John Brumby announced that Sunbury would be sparked, considering the progesss they're making I don't think the Melton line will get electrified soon.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
In relation to the Melton line, is there any chance of electrification over the next few years? Surely with the growth over the next decade, one hour frequencies will not be acceptable.
"joffie"


There is no plans for electrification as such, but the VTP outlines a plan for full duplication of the line, and once Sunbury is electrified, the entire push-pull fleet will run on the Melton line. A diesel-suburban service, better use of existing rollingstock.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
In relation to the Melton line, is there any chance of electrification over the next few years? Surely with the growth over the next decade, one hour frequencies will not be acceptable.
"joffie"


There is no plans for electrification as such, but the VTP outlines a plan for full duplication of the line, and once Sunbury is electrified, the entire push-pull fleet will run on the Melton line. A diesel-suburban service, better use of existing rollingstock.
"alstom_888m"


Actually the VTP includes sparking to Melton in the medium term.


Medium Term Actions
snip
Services on the Melton Line will be doubled following completion of the Regional Rail Link and the electrification of the line to Sunbury.
These projects will allow relocation of V/Line trains to the Melton service.
Construction of a new Caroline Springs station will begin in 2010 and other stations will be built as development progresses and patronage rises.
As train numbers increase sections of the line will be duplicated (there are currently double tracks to Caroline Springs).
In the medium to long term, as the proposed Rockbank major activity centre is developed, this line will be electrified to serve the future needs of this growth area.
This crucial project forms part of the Victorian Government’s submission to Infrastructure Australia as a medium term priority..
"The Victorian Transport Plan (page 79)"
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I can't remember where I read it but the RRL includes a provision for 2 extra tracks to be independantly electrified from Sunshine to West Werribee which I imagine would also include space for electrification to Melton in the future.
  Mickelaar The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: At the layout, tinkering.
In relation to the Melton line, is there any chance of electrification over the next few years? Surely with the growth over the next decade, one hour frequencies will not be acceptable.
"joffie"


There is no plans for electrification as such, but the VTP outlines a plan for full duplication of the line, and once Sunbury is electrified, the entire push-pull fleet will run on the Melton line. A diesel-suburban service, better use of existing rollingstock.
"alstom_888m"
There is a section on the V/Line website that states that the Melton line WILL be electrified. But this will only be done after the Sunbury electrification, and the Rail line along Derrimut Road to Wyndham Vale.

How many years would that be??!!
  Mickelaar The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: At the layout, tinkering.
Linkage:

http://www.vline.com.au/home/latestnews/vtp.html?&sid=10
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Linkage:

http://www.vline.com.au/home/latestnews/vtp.html?&sid=10
"Mickelaar"


Can't find anything about that on DOT's site, However I did find...

http://www.transport.vic.gov.au/web23/Home.nsf/AllDocs/5D3183ABC05D2A77CA257625001B43BB?OpenDocument

- It mentions nothing in the document, The rail map shows Melton as electrified but does not show RRL.

I think RRL is justifiably more important at this stage than electrifying to Melton, Finish RRL first then analyze if there's been a patronage growth to justify the electrification
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
What will be the real name of the station that Is planed between Pakenham and Officer ?

It has been proposed as

Lakeside
(Gembrook line has a station called that)

Cardinia
(A small town about 8 km's to the South)

Cardinia Road
(You think they could do better then that)

How about "Shearwater" or "Toomuc"
  andrewgould Beginner

Going by this link I'd say it's going to be known as Cardinia Road.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Going by this link I'd say it's going to be known as Cardinia Road.
"andrewgould"


Funny how many of Melbourne's suburban stations had the name "Road" after them and It was dropped not long after the stations opening !
  Speed Minister for Railways

With an election drawing near, construction of Caroline Springs station began yesterday.
Public Transport Minister Martin Pakula was today joined by the Member for Kororoit Marlene Kairouz to turn the first sod at the site of the new station which is part of a $220 million package for new stations in Melbourne’s growth areas.

“The Brumby Labor Government is taking action to ensure people in Melbourne’s west have good access to public transport services,” Mr Pakula said. ... “The station, due to open in 2012, will serve current and future public transport needs and help people access jobs, study and also stay connected with family and friends.”

The new V/Line station will be situated on the Melton Line, between Rockbank and Deer Park stations, approximately one kilometre south of Caroline Springs estate.
...
Member for Kororoit Marlene Kairouz said the modern station facilities would be safe and comfortable for commuters to use.

“The design for the new train station will also include extensive lighting and closed circuit camera security surveillance (CCTV) at and near the station, including the car parks, bus stops and approach paths to the station,” Ms Kairouz said. ... “The train station will feature a new park and ride facility with approximately 200 car parking spaces, as well as easy access to bus stops and a taxi rank. The station will also provide more sustainable transport options with pedestrian and bicycle access to the surrounding area, as well as a bike cage at the station.”

The Department of Transport will initially carry out excavation work on an access road to the future station from Christie's Road roundabout.

Over 200 suggestions were received following a competition to name the new station. The name of the station will be announced later this year.
http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/12477.html
  712M Chief Commissioner

Will this station get the same level of service as Ardeer, Deer Park and Rockbank?
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Will this station get the same level of service as Ardeer, Deer Park and Rockbank?
"712M"

You would hope it gets at least a Melton grade of service:
http://www.vline.com.au/pdf/newtimetables/ballarat.pdf

The other three stations are lost causes, it would be a waste of money building a new station to consign it to the same destiny. Then again, the government's level of incompetence will always surprise you...
  tomohawk Chief Commissioner

Location: Getting The Met to get around
It should be feasible to run a diesel shuttle service off peak to Sunshine from Melton. It would be operationally much easier to un an electric shuttle, but I am not holding my breath for wires to go up. Surely RRL means there will be enough suburban paths to add Melton electric trains?
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
A token shot of Deer Park West junction from the freeway overpass, looking towards Ballarat. End of the double line, the Boral quarry siding branches off to the left. The future Caroline Springs station will be a bit further down the single track:

[img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/melbourne-stations/image/595/E106_5589.jpg[/img]

And an aerial view:
http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.7665,144.738232&z=17&t=k&nmd=20101001
  michinyon Chief Commissioner

I thought there was already a lot of houses at Caroline Springs.    How far from the station are they ?
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
I thought there was already a lot of houses at Caroline Springs.    How far from the station are they ?
"michinyon"
The housing estate is all on the northern side of Ballarat Road: between the raiwlay line is the Deer Park 'Bypass' and industrial estates. Looking at the Nearmap link posted earlier, is is about 1.5 km between the station and the closest houses.
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
Plenty of safety fencing around the southern end of the overpass bridge roundabout, obviously where they'll be building the access road to the station.

Not much else to see, really. Hope to be able to see some sort of action/movement soon. (Handy I travel past every weekday... Wink )

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  nukegrove Junior Train Controller

It is great to see some new stations coming on board in the Melbourne metro area. Caroline Springs being one of these.  Where as I am pleased to see this development I cannot however understand the price tag. $220m for the new stations.  ???

Exactly which new stations are included as this is a huge amount of money?

http://www.transport.vic.gov.au/web23/Home.nsf/AllDocs/9851D78DD0BA972CCA2576250018B115?OpenDocument

Regards
Brian
"bevans"


Not sure if its just me but that link appears to require a username and password!?
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
New station for Caroline Springs
Melton Leader Newspaper

A BILLION dollar upgrade to the Melton train line and a new station at Caroline Springs are part of the State Government’s new transport plan.

The train line is scheduled for electrification in 2016, but commuters will benefit earlier than that from a doubling of V/Line trains.

The Sydenham line will be electrified to Sunbury by 2012 which will free up extra trains for the Ballarat line.

Melton state Labor MP Don Nardella welcomed the $1.3 billion upgrade.

“The great thing about this plan is we’ve finally got a date and confirmation of electrification of the system,’’ he said.
“It’s a commitment we’ve never had before.’‘

Construction will start on the $220 million Caroline Springs station in 2010.

The station will cater for a population expected to grow to about 25,000 in Caroline Springs over the next 10 years.

Greens MP Colleen Hartland has criticised the plan’s timeline, saying Melton needed electric trains by 2012.

But Mr Nardella said infrastructure works had to be completed first.

“These things do not occur overnight,” he said.


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