Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Just a possible scenario, I'm still using Metcards at this point.

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  SueB Locomotive Fireman

Location: Mt Evelyn
That's right, I used to be able to do it with a zone 2 Metcard by getting off at Surrey Hills, touching on my myki, and catching the same train if I used the second last door of the train.
"Gauntlet"
Not the wisest of ideas.  AO's tend to look disfavourably on cheapskate fare evasion.
"Sir Thomas Bent"


So Gauntlet are you saying you would get on in a different zone, get off at Surrey Hills to validate your ticket and then get back on.  Isn't this fare evasion?
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
That's right, I used to be able to do it with a zone 2 Metcard by getting off at Surrey Hills, touching on my myki, and catching the same train if I used the second last door of the train.
"Gauntlet"
Not the wisest of ideas.  AO's tend to look disfavourably on cheapskate fare evasion.
"Sir Thomas Bent"


So Gauntlet are you saying you would get on in a different zone, get off at Surrey Hills to validate your ticket and then get back on.  Isn't this fare evasion?
"SueB"
Whilst it is in fact fare evasion (because the rules say that you must have ONE valid ticket for your entire journey, unless on a weekly or longer, in which case you can then get an extension ticket) what I believe Gauntlet was doing was using a Zone-2 Metcard to travel into the overlap, and then using a Myki to travel from the overlap into the City - so using a Zone 2 Metcard for the Zone 2 part of the trip, and using Myki for the Zone 1 part of the trip.

Still illegal though.

Dave
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Really?
I thought it would be fine if I left the paid area before touching on at Surrey Hills.
Although if an AO saw me do this at Surrey Hills I'd probably show the Metcard and be at risk of being reported for not (re)validating it.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
That's right, I used to be able to do it with a zone 2 Metcard by getting off at Surrey Hills, touching on my myki, and catching the same train if I used the second last door of the train.
"Gauntlet"
Not the wisest of ideas.  AO's tend to look disfavourably on cheapskate fare evasion.
"Sir Thomas Bent"


So Gauntlet are you saying you would get on in a different zone, get off at Surrey Hills to validate your ticket and then get back on.  Isn't this fare evasion?
"SueB"
Whilst it is in fact fare evasion (because the rules say that you must have ONE valid ticket for your entire journey, unless on a weekly or longer, in which case you can then get an extension ticket) what I believe Gauntlet was doing was using a Zone-2 Metcard to travel into the overlap, and then using a Myki to travel from the overlap into the City - so using a Zone 2 Metcard for the Zone 2 part of the trip, and using Myki for the Zone 1 part of the trip.

Still illegal though.

Dave
"thadocta"


Extention Ticket Rule  does not apply with MYKI, clearly says the following:
Myki users must use just one myki to complete a trip.
Mykis and short term tickets must not be combined to cover travel.
  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

I also know the AO's love that rear carriage area at Surrey Hills....
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
melbtwat,  thanks for repeating in your gibberish what thadocta said in English.

If Gauntlet had the ability to purchase an extension ticket (i.e. if he had a Weekly, Monthly or Yearly) he wouldn't need to jump on and off at Surrey Hills as he could validate it at the first opportunity, which does not preclude the first place he's actually getting off.

Anything else - one ticket for the whole journey and if not, the matter is referred by the AO's (who regularly patrol Surrey Hills now) to the DoT and a $178 lesson in not being a tightwad is administered.
  AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

Location: Along route 69
In terms of cost however, it sounds like you would be paying MORE, not LESS in that situation. You might as well stick to myki.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
By using a 10x2-hour zone 1 an 5xDaily zone 2 ticket it will cost exactly the same as myki, but myki users will be charge the daily rate for zone 1 an hour earlier.

In some circumstances it may be 2 hours earlier, I haven't tested that yet.

This is especially relevant for people who catch buses from zone 2 only to Oakleigh, Heidelberg, Glenroy, Lavertory etc. and then a train into the city.

An Sir Thomas if you do catch me at Surrey Hills I'll tell you that I'm going to Canterbury and forgot that it's in zone 1 - that's why I touched on my myki.
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned

An Sir Thomas if you do catch me at Surrey Hills I'll tell you that I'm going to Canterbury and forgot that it's in zone 1 - that's why I touched on my myki.
"Gauntlet"


Well how smart are you sport you just gave out info on your so called defence before you used it...pity ya cant delete quoted posts aint it. LaughingRolling Eyes
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
By using a 10x2-hour zone 1 an 5xDaily zone 2 ticket it will cost exactly the same as myki, but myki users will be charge the daily rate for zone 1 an hour earlier.
"Gauntlet"
One ticket - entire journey, unless it's a Weekly, Monthly or Yearly.

An Sir Thomas if you do catch me at Surrey Hills I'll tell you that I'm going to Canterbury and forgot that it's in zone 1 - that's why I touched on my myki.
"Gauntlet"
I think you're failing again.

The rules are simple.  Even for a cheapskate like you.

You have a multiple daily Zone 1 and a multiple daily Zone 2.  Travelling from one zone to the other and being caught validating it's against the Transport Act, and you're therefore a fare-evading cheapskate - and an idiotic one as well.

Just buy a Zone 1 periodical and a multiple Zone 2.  You have to queue up at the overflow desk at Box Hill to validate it, but it's legal.
  Attila76 Junior Train Controller


An Sir Thomas if you do catch me at Surrey Hills I'll tell you that I'm going to Canterbury and forgot that it's in zone 1 - that's why I touched on my myki.
"Gauntlet"


And AO's and DOT won't give a stuff because we hear the same excuses every day. That and the people who "slept" past their stop and ended up in the wrong zone despite living right next to the station they didn't intend to get off at. No really, I believe them, truly I do Rolling Eyes, but I still book them 8)
  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

For anyone unbiased, do you really wonder why us station staff, AO's and drivers think the way we do?

Classic example here.

Dollars to pesos any of my colleagues here - let's assume they don't get free travel passes for the moment and have to pay for it - would do it properly. Why? Because we are not bludging on the system. The reason why we get free travel passes is we work bloody hard to keep the system running.

When you wonder, next time you see someone pulled aside by the AO's, think of our friend here, a couple posts up. No names required, you all know to whom I am referring to. That's the attitude. Gimme gimme gimme and if I can get away with it I can.

Mo morals. No ethics. No desire to do the right thing, it's what can I take.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
^The person above who openly boasts about breaking the rules is a classic example of one the reasons why we have authorised officers.

It is only time before you will get caught, and when you do, I hope you don't come whinging here about how unjust you feel, as you certainly won't be getting any sympathy from me!
  tomohawk Chief Commissioner

Location: Getting The Met to get around
It's also impressive the disgruntled looked I get at Merlynston and Glenroy when I close the doors and depart before someone can re-board the train after having jumped out to validate.

I'm just enforcing ticket rules. Since it has become two journeys then they can have two tickets! Wink

And yes, drivers do see what you're doing.
  Attila76 Junior Train Controller

It's also impressive the disgruntled looked I get at Merlynston and Glenroy when I close the doors and depart before someone can re-board the train after having jumped out to validate.
"tomohawk"


I do believe I witnessed you doing that to someone last night Surprised Helped out by me who shut the Comeng door as he was running back so he didn't even have a gap to wedge his way onto the train with. Very Happy Deeeelightful.
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
100pts to tomohawk for his indirect upholding of the Fares and Ticketing regulations.
  Horace Banned

Location: Banned
... but I still book them...
"Attila76"


Good. There should be more of it. I like seeing inspectors get on the train. I have always observed them to be courteous, particularly in the face of fare evaders who are both verbally and physically aggressive. It's a pity that more don't get booked for feet on seats. Just how hard is it to sit on a seat properly?
  r707 Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
To aid in stopping the jump off-validate-jump on cheapskates, a number of stations in the Zone 1+2 overlap are having additional fencing added which require you to go around them to reach the validators, meaning you won't get back on the same train in time.
  keepitcivil Station Staff

Location: Marshall station or the Belgrave/Lilydale line, depending on the day
Yep agreed with the above sentiments. I've never had any trouble with any AOs checking my ticket, but I've never had anything to fear from them. In fact, I welcome their presence. It means that no trouble will break out on my train.

TBH, I don't envy them having to put up with the idiot fare evaders, and I'm impressed that they can be as patient as they are with them.
  LesS Train Controller

Location: Behind the Camera
the idiot fare evaders
"keepitcivil"

I have been reading this thread with considerable interest. "The idiot fare evaders" are encouraged to act as they do because the ticketing system and zonal boundaries encourage them to do so.

I would suggest that the real "idiots" are the designers of the system.
  Speed Minister for Railways

Is there a way to arrange zones so as not to incite people to behave like that, in order to get a cheaper fare?
  keepitcivil Station Staff

Location: Marshall station or the Belgrave/Lilydale line, depending on the day
the idiot fare evaders
"keepitcivil"

I have been reading this thread with considerable interest. "The idiot fare evaders" are encouraged to act as they do because the ticketing system and zonal boundaries encourage them to do so.

I would suggest that the real "idiots" are the designers of the system.
"LesS"

It depends. If you're caught out inadvertently because you stay one stop too long and exceed the zone on your ticket when you genuinely didn't know, that's a different story.

The idiot fare evaders I refer to are the ones who consciously make the decision to buy a concession ticket/wrong zone ticket/no ticket at all just to save a few bucks, and then come out with all the excuses (lies) under the sun to explain their crime.

It's not hard to abide by the laws, ridiculous as you may believe them to be, if you try to
  dv987654 Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne
I'm not sure what happened here.

28/10/2010 14:57:20 Touch off Tram 1 Tram -  $0.46  $1.54  
28/10/2010 14:46:02 Touch on Tram 1 Tram -  -  -  
28/10/2010 14:33:28 Touch off Tram 1/2 Tram -  $1.01  $2.00  
28/10/2010 14:26:17 Touch on Tram 1/2 Tram

It says I have a balance of $0.46 but  when I travelled today it said I have $0.07 as my balance.
I'm not sure if i've been overcharrged?
Help!
  michinyon Chief Commissioner

That 46c is the cost of that second trip (apparently increasing the fare from a zone 2 concession to a zone 1 concession).   Your balance was 1.54.

If you balance is now 7c,   then you probably made another 1.47 journey since then.  Did you see that 7c balance when you tagged on again ??

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