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  Craig Chief Commissioner

Location: Edithvale, VIC
Metro website advising buses will continue to replace trains tomorrow between South Yarra-Sandringham and Newport-Willimastown due to ongoing flooding.

Windsor was still well underwater at 16:45 this afternoon:



3 trucks were present trying to pump away the water.

More pics - http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=57628

Kind Regards


Craig Smile

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  msilsby Deputy Commissioner

Location: Canberra
It would be interesting to see weather (hah! Gedit?) any of those sweepers were Yarra Trams sweepers.

They use them as quasi scrubber cars . . . .
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Comeng leaving Windsor Station with rising floodwaters.


Who authorised that move?  Trains stopped on the Caulfield Group as soon as water reached rail height.  I understood that was the cue to block any line on safety grounds (live electrics) these days though steam used to wade through pits full of water on occasions.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
So long as it didn't put the fire out you kept going ........... !!!
  LamontCranston Chief Commissioner

So thats three times Windsor has been flooded: Toms photo, the 1989 link, and now. Probably more in between. They ever going to do something about this?

And just my luck: when I arrive at the station a train had broken down between Lilydale and Mooroolbark. So I got a taxi to Mooroolbark. Strangely the staff were telling people to catch the 679 which would take 70 minutes to get to Ringwood - shouldn't they have been telling them to get the 670 and get off at Croydon?
  msilsby Deputy Commissioner

Location: Canberra
That picture must be a fake. All the recent rain is purely the result of global warming which wasn't around then, so it must be a fake.
  LamontCranston Chief Commissioner

increases occurrence and severity of extreme weather events, etc
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
That picture must be a fake. All the recent rain is purely the result of global warming which wasn't around then, so it must be a fake.
"msilsby"


Which picture is this that you are making the fake claim about?
  chicken_sub Locomotive Fireman

Comeng leaving Windsor Station with rising floodwaters.


Who authorised that move?  Trains stopped on the Caulfield Group as soon as water reached rail height.  I understood that was the cue to block any line on safety grounds (live electrics) these days though steam used to wade through pits full of water on occasions.
"Gwiwer"


3 inches above the rail head but any more and your not supposed to try it but things may be different with sparks? im not sure
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
* It used to be six inches above the rail on the W class trams.
  msilsby Deputy Commissioner

Location: Canberra
That picture must be a fake. All the recent rain is purely the result of global warming which wasn't around then, so it must be a fake.
"msilsby"


Which picture is this that you are making the fake claim about?
"574M"


My joke related to global warming and the fact that recent media would have you thinking that the weather extremes we have had around Australia have never happened before and are thus the result of [man made] global warming.

Yet the pic in 1907 showed just such a weather event.
  PClark Chief Commissioner

I have seen that picture of the 1907 flood at South Yarra before.

I looked for it on Friday evening and thought that it was in "Victorian Railways to '62" but couldn't find it there.

Any idea where it was published?

BTW, if South Yarra and Windsor were flooded, what was the situation at Prahran?
  darcycammo Chief Train Controller

Location: cockatoo vic
So thats three times Windsor has been flooded: Toms photo, the 1989 link, and now. Probably more in between. They ever going to do something about this?

And just my luck: when I arrive at the station a train had broken down between Lilydale and Mooroolbark. So I got a taxi to Mooroolbark. Strangely the staff were telling people to catch the 679 which would take 70 minutes to get to Ringwood - shouldn't they have been telling them to get the 670 and get off at Croydon?
"LamontCranston"


The 670 doesn't go to Mooroolbark station
  Westernport Assistant Commissioner

Location: Not In Service
The 670 doesn't go to Mooroolbark station

Neither does the 679.  Rolling Eyes
  richiebogie Chief Train Controller

The St Kilda Junction underpass appears to be lower than Windsor station under Chapel Street.

Does St Kilda Junction drain passively or is there a pumping system?

Perhaps they need to connect Windsor to St Kilda junction?
  msilsby Deputy Commissioner

Location: Canberra
The pumping system is based in the building on the St Kilda side of the Dandenong road tracks (i.e. where the left turn tracks head down to Dandenong Road from St Kilda Road).

The pumping system pumps into Lake Albert - it is regularly serviced and checked as vic roads have a real fear of Dandenong road flooding at this point as it would cause chaos and mayhem far and wide!

To connect it to Windsor station would make sense, however it would require a fairly considerable bit of work to do so though - lots of piping and trench action - and where to put it? Which ever route you chose would cause considerable disruption.
  FullSeries Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
That Comeng would not have had the best brakes after it's little adventure in the water.  Looks like it was up over the brake rigging.  Tread (Westcode) brakes yeah?  Like the Silver's up here in NSW?
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
That Comeng would not have had the best brakes after it's little adventure in the water.  Looks like it was up over the brake rigging.  Tread (Westcode) brakes yeah?  Like the Silver's up here in NSW?
"FullSeries"


Which Comeng? Do you mean the Refurbished Harris? (908M) - That's not a Comeng. It's faux Comeng.
  137M Junior Train Controller

Location: Ringwood East
That Comeng would not have had the best brakes after it's little adventure in the water.  Looks like it was up over the brake rigging.  Tread (Westcode) brakes yeah?  Like the Silver's up here in NSW?
"FullSeries"


Which Comeng? Do you mean the Refurbished Harris? (908M) - That's not a Comeng. It's faux Comeng.
"Brendan03"


No, Pretty sure he's talking about the one that was shown in the news the other night.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
The set which was underwater in 1989 was 908M-3508T-3507T-907M, and an unknown M and T car from another set. The two leading cars of the other set were towed away (presumably to Newport) prior to those photos, leaving the other six stranded at the platform.

Which Comeng? Do you mean the Refurbished Harris? (908M) - That's not a Comeng. It's faux Comeng.
"Brendan03"


Technically it was a Comeng, even before refurbishment. 'Harris' wasn't the manufacturer. Smile

In original blue form, the Harris had the manufacturer and date stamped into the doorway, similar to X'Traps of today. If you're lucky, you might be able to see this inside 795M at the museum. I think the original builder's plates were removed when the trains were refurbished, similar to H sets.

Built by MARTIN & KING PTY.LTD.& COMMONWEALTH ENG.CO.LTD. Victoria

Unfortunately, those refurbished trains were rubbish since day 1 of the upgrade - the old bogies, brakes and traction motors were left unchanged from the 1960s (all M cars were converted from second series cars), making for a very slow ride if they went uphill from a standing start (just like the MAN SL200 buses from that era!); they were permanently placed on the short Sandringham, St. Kilda and Port Melbourne lines for this reason. All they became useful for in their later life was converting to locomotive hauled cars (H sets), and even then they are hopeless since they bounce all over the place at speed.

These Refurbished Harris cars are still around today, modified as V/Line passenger cars:
BCH134 - was 902M, originally 713M
BCH135 - was 908M, originally 753M
BIH187 - was 3501T, originally 824T
BIH191 - was 3502T, originally 506BT
BIH189 - was 3503T, originally 630T
BIH194 - was 3504T, originally 525BT
BIH193 - was 3505T, originally 683T
BIH188 - was 3506T, originally 812T
BIH192 - was 3507T, originally 868T
BIH190 - was 3508T, originally 844T

903M is the only surviving example of the leading motor design, on display at the AHRS Museum at North Williamstown. 901M, 904M, 905M, 906M and 907M were scrapped around 1995.
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
That Comeng would not have had the best brakes after it's little adventure in the water.  Looks like it was up over the brake rigging.  Tread (Westcode) brakes yeah?  Like the Silver's up here in NSW?
"FullSeries"


Which Comeng? Do you mean the Refurbished Harris? (908M) - That's not a Comeng. It's faux Comeng.
"Brendan03"


No, Pretty sure he's talking about the one that was shown in the news the other night.
"137M"


Oh, My bad. I don't watch the news.
  Westernport Assistant Commissioner

Location: Not In Service
More amateur vision has appeared on YouTube.

Comeng arriving at South Yarra in floodwaters. It seems to be the same train in the previous video on the last page.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoW_VAYX7j4
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
There were news reports of people swimming in the flooded pits at stations.

That's just.... icky.
  Murasaki Chief Train Controller

Location: Going sideways... in carriage DET-9216 (>ω<)
I wonder if some of the flooding was caused by the Victorian team getting that low score in «My Kitchen Rules». [color=#9900ff](>ω

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