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      bramt Deputy Commissioner

    Noticed a new tram system map has appeared in trams over the weekend. Each route has its own colour so it is supposedly easier to trace routes along the network.
    linky

    [bigimg]http://www.metlinkmelbourne.com.au/assets/images/Maps-and-stops/Train-and-tram-network/TramNetworkMap3.jpg[/bigimg]

    I don't know. I wouldn't say its easier to read. Perhaps a little harder.

    I do like how it maps the Yarra river around the city and out, and how it has more major destinations marked.
    Posted: 13 Apr 2011 01:23

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      Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Sydney
    I noticed this on Saturday, The line-guides correspond to the colours shown for each line on that map.

    I swear, It's the PTC maps all over again.
    Posted: 13 Apr 2011 01:32
      SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

    Location: Building floorplates
    It's certainly not bad.

    I'd probably use different colours, and merge some lines where there's no point in keeping them separate.

    For example, I'd use one line and colour (aqua?) for 3, 3a, 5, 6, 16, 64, 67, 72, and another single line and colour (green?) for 11 & 112.

    I think it's also fair to speculate that we'll be getting a new map for the train system with the May 8th timetable change.
    Posted: 13 Apr 2011 02:10
      jonas_jade Locomotive Driver

    Location: Melbourne / Brisbane
    Its definitely better than the previous monster that I saw many a St Kilda tourist struggle with  Laughing

    My favourite was trying to explain to a lady with limited English understanding the routing of the 16 tram on the map & how to get to Camberwell from St Kilda....  Confused
    Posted: 13 Apr 2011 10:49
      richardlu_yy Chief Train Controller

    Location: Singapore
    I think it's also fair to speculate that we'll be getting a new map for the train system with the May 8th timetable change.
    "SteamtoStay"

    Definitely a strong possibility. "It’s the first in a series of new public transport maps that will make travel easier for passengers." as on the Yarra Trams website. Maybe they will bring Harry Beck to Melbourne! I wish.

    EDIT: Actually based on the new timetables currently uploaded onto destinationbetter, maybe this will come a bit later.

    Like the new map a lot, especially that it makes roads with multiple routes a lot easier to read, however longer routes are a bit harder to track. Brings out the irony at Box Hill as well, tram stop in Zone 1, train station in Zone 2.

    Also since the October 2010 Metro timetable and now with this, City Saver will most definitely see the grave together with Metcard.
    Posted: 13 Apr 2011 22:31
      Craig Chief Commissioner

    Location: Edithvale, VIC
    I'd probably use different colours, and merge some lines where there's no point in keeping them separate.

    For example, I'd use one line and colour (aqua?) for 3, 3a, 5, 6, 16, 64, 67, 72, and another single line and colour (green?) for 11 & 112.
    "SteamtoStay"


    Agree that they've gone a bit overboard with colours. Personally I'd have 3a & 16 as separate colours than the other routes on St Kilda Rd, to show they run via St Kilda.

    A definite improvement over the old map, but disappointing error with 78 at Prahran, implying it intersects with Glenhuntly Rd (rather than Brighton Rd) and that the terminus is a walking distance to Elsternwick.  

    Also slightly unfortunate that 16 & 78 are similar colours. but at least it'll be a little easier to trace the 16!

    Kind Regards


    Craig Smile
    Posted: 13 Apr 2011 23:47
      Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

    Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
    A better effort than the early stop-panel versions which had only thin pale green lines and which became virtually unreadable very quickly.

    Also a good effort at showing how the network actually runs as opposed to simply marking tram lines on a street plan.

    I would have taken the 82 line up to touch the 59 at Moonee Ponds as the gap suggests the two do not intersect.

    There will never be a perfect map.  The lines might have been a bit thicker (though perhaps not along Swanston Street) and a lot more geographic information included (the 86 doesn't appear to serve anywhere at all for 15kms between Melbourne Museum and Bundoora, as one example) but it is fairly easy to read and makes intelligent use of contrasting colours.

    7/10.
    Posted: 14 Apr 2011 00:17
      Aussie Steve Deputy Commissioner

    Its a great map, that clearly shows how there is far too much overlap of services.

    The #3 should be re-routed as the 3A Sun - Sat
    The #79 should be removed
    The #30 should be removed, and the #24 should be extended to the Docklands Stadium all day
    etc....
    Posted: 14 Apr 2011 10:15
      Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

    Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
    The route network is based upon a balance between passenger demand and resource availability.

    The 24 is a peaks-only service offering additional capacity which really isn't required at other times except through the City.  That stretch is served by the 30.

    The 79 meets a need for evening travel between the popular centres of St Kilda and Chapel Street; only one stop along the 78 route is not served after 7pm by the 79.

    Likewise the 3a provides additional capacity and journey opportunities when it is needed namely on weekends i.e. leisure time.
    Posted: 14 Apr 2011 10:34
      bramt Deputy Commissioner

    Flemmington Bridge looks to be in the wrong place. In reality both the 57 & 59 pass under the tracks, both within ~10m of either end of the platforms.
    This map shows it adjoining the 57, previous maps had it intersecting the 59.
    I think the dot should equidistant from both.

    I like that they have added major trip generators to the map, but I think they could add more, particularly the universities to the outer end of 86.

    The placement of St Vincent's hospital also looks very wrong.
    Posted: 14 Apr 2011 13:28
      Axver Station Master

    Location: Melbourne
    Love the new map. Really my only complaint is a petty one, that Highpoint isn't noted by the 82. To me, this beats the old map in basically every possible way.
    Posted: 14 Apr 2011 15:21
      richardlu_yy Chief Train Controller

    Location: Singapore
    The individual line guides have also been colour-coded along with the network map. I was quite taken aback to see the Route 112 stop guide being coloured entirely lime green.

    Most funny addition with the new maps: Please hold on as sudden stops MAY be necessary.
    Posted: 18 Apr 2011 01:41
      The Met Chief Commissioner

    Location: 37.55-S /145.01-E
    I think it's a positive change overall. It certainly does make things easier to understand. I think they've done the palette of colours to disseminate between routes, not necessarily to group them into identifiable groups.
    Posted: 18 Apr 2011 12:48
      wongm GEEWONG

    Location: Geelong, Victoria
    I like the new map - using such a useful tool as colour to distinguish sometime useless like fare information made the old map difficult to understand. The new maps makes it easy to work out which city street corresponds to each suburban tram route.

    Two or three zones could easly have been shown with crosshatching on the maps, and with Myki making the majority of the tram network zone 1, making the entire map 'zone 1 yellow' was downright ridiculous.

    The quote from this page is a bit inaccurate...
    http://www.metlinkmelbourne.com.au/news/news-promotions/new-tram-network-map-launched

    For the first time, the tram map uses colour to distinguish the different routes.

    The MMTB's 1978 tram network map:

    [img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/cache/tram-infrastructure/176_7612_595.jpg[/img]
    Posted: 18 Apr 2011 20:15
      Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

    Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
    You can still find a few examples of that 1978 map (or even earlier versions of it) around town on a few tram shelters.

    It's been a while since I was there but there used to be one opposite Kew Depot and another down in St Kilda.
    Posted: 18 Apr 2011 22:30
      tomohawk Chief Commissioner

    Location: Getting The Met to get around
    There was one on the Bridge Road and Hoddle Street down direction shelter. I presume it's still there.
    Posted: 18 Apr 2011 23:14
      Polar Tiger Chief Commissioner

    Location: FL390
    D 3508 has received new AOA promoting the coloured YT maps.

    Posted: 03 May 2011 20:54
      MelbourneCity Chief Commissioner

    That looks really good.

    Can we expect a new train network map next week in conjunction with the new timetables?
    Posted: 03 May 2011 21:44
      richardlu_yy Chief Train Controller

    Location: Singapore
    That looks really good.

    Can we expect a new train network map next week in conjunction with the new timetables?
    "MelbourneCity"

    Not this time. The ones online on Destination Better have the current map and the new printed timetables were released almost 2 weeks ago, if there isn't any wind of it now the current train network map will most probably remain as of now.
    Posted: 04 May 2011 21:46
      bramt Deputy Commissioner

    So when does "Sunbury electrification in 2012" appear on the map?

    I guess the obvious answer is in 2012...

    There are other new stations under construction too...
    Posted: 04 May 2011 23:39
      tonyp Chief Commissioner

    Location: Shoalhaven
    D 3508 has received new AOA promoting the coloured YT maps.

    "Polar Tiger"

    I would think the message here would be that the map would be as difficult to see as the view through the windows with the stupid, contemptuous overall advertising.  Rolling Eyes
    Posted: 05 May 2011 10:24
      Aussie Steve Deputy Commissioner

    I love the new maps, especially the Malvern Depot ones on the inside of the trams. They only show thr routes provided by that depot. This is a great idea. Now all we need is the same done for the train map.
    Posted: 07 May 2011 15:08
      Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

    Location: Banned
    I love the new maps, especially the Malvern Depot ones on the inside of the trams. They only show thr routes provided by that depot. This is a great idea. Now all we need is the same done for the train map.
    "Aussie Steve"
    In that case, every Comeng and Hitachi is suitably equipped already.
    Posted: 07 May 2011 16:20
      MelbourneCity Chief Commissioner

    Now all we need is the same done for the train map.
    "Aussie Steve"


    Agreed. Especially with the new timetable change meaning routes have changed, its especially important. Can only hope they do launch a new one - seems odd to only do the trams. Thought Metlink liked 'consistency'.
    Posted: 07 May 2011 21:09
      tomohawk Chief Commissioner

    Location: Getting The Met to get around
    I'm currently making a new network map, though not in any official capacity. It's a long and slow process!
    Posted: 08 May 2011 02:47

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