Additional Adelaide Trams

 
  themetptc Train Controller

Location: Ballarat
Actually, I have noticed that those bogies do actually turn.
"Myrtone"

So if they have bogies that turn under the low floor area why can't they have low floor through the bogies in the end units? Anyone got a photo of the bogie area inside the middle car of an Adelaide Flexity?
"tonyp"


The end bogies are motored and are therefore unable to accommodate the low floor, the middle 2 are dummies and have no motor between the wheels allowing for low floor.  They pivot under the seat bases, while not a huge amount, because of the short distance between the bogies it is enough to allow the centre unit to go around curves.
Sim.

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  tonyp Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven


The end bogies are motored and are therefore unable to accommodate the low floor, the middle 2 are dummies and have no motor between the wheels allowing for low floor.  They pivot under the seat bases, while not a huge amount, because of the short distance between the bogies it is enough to allow the centre unit to go around curves.
Sim.
"themetptc"

Thanks, yes that figures. I'm thinking in terms of hub motors and forgot about the "old fashioned" setup and trailer bogies!

It would only need a few small degrees of pivot - you couldn't have more as you would be cutting into the aisle width. It's all a bit thrown together, about one step more technically advanced than an old Birney. As long as they look modern on the outside, ride OK and don't trash the tracks!
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
On a related note, I do notice that ramps at the edges of the doors, and if only Adelaide's trams were wider, those ramps colud be longer, allowing for a lower boarding height. The Skoda ForCity, which does have both 100% low floor and pivoting bogies also has those entrance ramps.

One thing I have mentioned elsewhere and I'll just say again now I am reminded. While low floors may be a fundemental part of any on-street tram intended for use as public transport, I feel that easy acess and thus stepless entries are less of an issue with non-PT uses for trams such charters. I think of the fact that buses for PT use are usualy low floor I am taking into account that like busses (but to a lesser extent) passenger trams are not just used for PT, we have organised tram tours (mostly using heritage trams). Also, operators many legacy systems offer charters. I think I have noticed that while low floor busses are taking over in PT use of buses, motor coaches intended for charter services are still high floor, and for they do take wheelchair bound passengers, they bring out wheelchair coaches, which are still high floor but have hoists to lift wheelchairs. I can see why this would not be suitable for PT use, but in the context of charters it sounds fine to me.
Also, level broading to high floor vehicles is possible, and good to conisider in case of interurbans, for example.

EDIT:I do think that Adelaide will consider length rather than width as a way of increasing capacity, in spite of previously having wider trams.
  tonyp Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
The doors only have to be down as far as the now-standard platform which is about 350 mm iirc. These rampdowns from the aisle to the door are not uncommon, particularly in narrower trams such as the Adelaide Flexity and many European trams. They are less noticeable in a wider tram.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
There are many space constraints of providing high platforms, which makes then unsuitable for the street enviroment. But even providing a 350mm platform still poses more space constraints than traditional streel level stops, so those operators with wider bodied rolling stock might want to consider lower entrance heights, especially in North America. The standard 350mm platform height seems to have orginated in Europe where trams are often narrower, so limiting the length of the ramps.
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
On a related note, I do notice that ramps at the edges of the doors, and if only Adelaide's trams were wider, those ramps colud be longer, allowing for a lower boarding height. The Skoda ForCity, which does have both 100% low floor and pivoting bogies also has those entrance ramps.

One thing I have mentioned elsewhere and I'll just say again now I am reminded. While low floors may be a fundemental part of any on-street tram intended for use as public transport, I feel that easy acess and thus stepless entries are less of an issue with non-PT uses for trams such charters. I think of the fact that buses for PT use are usualy low floor I am taking into account that like busses (but to a lesser extent) passenger trams are not just used for PT, we have organised tram tours (mostly using heritage trams). Also, operators many legacy systems offer charters. I think I have noticed that while low floor busses are taking over in PT use of buses, motor coaches intended for charter services are still high floor, and for they do take wheelchair bound passengers, they bring out wheelchair coaches, which are still high floor but have hoists to lift wheelchairs. I can see why this would not be suitable for PT use, but in the context of charters it sounds fine to me.
Also, level broading to high floor vehicles is possible, and good to conisider in case of interurbans, for example.

EDIT:I do think that Adelaide will consider length rather than width as a way of increasing capacity, in spite of previously having wider trams.
"Myrtone"

Firstly, it would help if you wrote in English.
Secondly, from what I gleaned, you are talking about charter hire of a tram in Adelaide. Why? The Adelaide trams "system" does not go far and is a Public Transport System only.
Personally, I believe they should have ordered Flexity Classic XXL trams which would have meant longer trams with heaps more capacity.
  JGS Well. We'll see about THAT!

Location: Junee NSW
... passenger trams are not just used for PT, we have organised tram tours (mostly using heritage trams)...
"Myrtone"


If only this was true in Melbourne...

Cheers,
Matt
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Firstly, it would help if you wrote in English.
Secondly, from what I gleaned, you are talking about charter hire of a tram in Adelaide. Why? The Adelaide trams "system" does not go far and is a Public Transport System only.
Personally, I believe they should have ordered Flexity Classic XXL trams which would have meant longer trams with heaps more capacity.
"nm39"


I have heard of H class trams being used for charter before, fact is you only have one tramline so there wouldn't be much oppotuinty for charter, but as you expand, there might be more potential.
  2001 The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
The next Flexity Tram is being delivered tonight (8/5).

It will be lowered onto the rails at the Hindmarsh Terminus around 2:30 AM
  Halo Chief Train Controller

Did anyone get any photos?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Did anyone get any photos?
"Halo"

Nine's 6pm (Adelaide) news had vison of the new delivery being rolled down the ramp and onto the track.
  BillD Chief Train Controller

Here are three shots of Flexity 112's delivery to Adelaide.

The first finds the tram on the road from Melboune, approaching Tailem Bend. (We'd waited on the road-side at Coomandook for a couple of hours, waiting for 112).

Shot two was taken in the Mt Barker truck stop where the trams usually wait before heading to Adelaide after midnight.

The final picture shows the trailer reversing into the Etertainment Centre stop.

I had to get up at seven for work, so left at 2:30am as they were starting to set up the ramps.
Friends who could stay have told me that 112 left for the depot at 5:10am.





  Halo Chief Train Controller

Don't watch  that one I'm afraid.

Nice BillD
  Halo Chief Train Controller

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Well the AC packs look bigger than the first batch, but they appear factory built, so not sure if they will be any good. Surly we learned our lesson after the first comedy of HOT errors. they also had very loud fans, almost loud enough to drown out casual conversation.

In other news, The 2005 batch are now looking due for refurb, yellow paint peeling off, door buttons faded.

Windows no longer transparent due to first attempt to cool trams down (window tinting), ripped tinting, ripped protective coating on windows, all over advertising mesh improperly applied or removed to windows.
This also means that passengers wanting to board cannot see inside to work out what door has the least people behind it.
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
It also looks like the ends of the new batch of trams will still be painted the insipid shade of pale yellow - out of sync with the rest of Adelaide Metro buses and trains.

I know Germany uses some different method of specifying colours of paint than the rest of the world - has someone stuffed up the colour specification to the manufacturer?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
We ain't getting them.
"bobharris2002"


Dayum bobharris2002, how did you know that this (below) would be a fantastic hoax delivery???   ShockedShocked
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  Halo Chief Train Controller

Saw 112 in service this arvo.
  Medo Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide

Smile

1 PM today. Sorry it's taken by mobile.




Medo

P.S.
I don’t know about y'all, but lately I have been having tremendous problems with this web site, and am on the verge of giving up. More often than not I can’t open the site. Sorry for going OT
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
P.S.
I don’t know about y'all, but lately I have been having tremendous problems with this web site, and am on the verge of giving up. More often than not I can’t open the site. Sorry for going OT
"Medo"

Take a look over here >>> http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11362335-s0.htm
  Medo Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide
Thank you Pressman!

Medo
  Polar Tiger Chief Commissioner

Location: FL390
Another new TA Flexity tram (presume 113) arrived late last night or early this morning aboard the Wilhelmsen Ship Tampa at Appleton Dock. It was transferred from the cargo pallet to the ODT semi trailer at around 1430.
  Halo Chief Train Controller

Seems it was launched at Entertainment Centre on Sun the 17th July.
  BillD Chief Train Controller

Seems it was launched at Entertainment Centre on Sun the 17th July.
"Halo"


Here are a couple of shots of Flexity 113 as she arrives at the Entertainment Centre hard-standing area to be placed on the tracks using ramps which also had come from Melbourne.

They're taken around 2am on Monday the 18th of July 2010. I couldn't wait for shots of 113 on the ramp as I had to work later in the morning.

The prime-mover / trailer perform a 3-point u-turn before reversing into the Port Rd reserve:


You can see the ramps still being set up in the next shot:
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
Flexity 113 was seen out and about doing Test Runs on the main line on Monday 1st August.
  BillD Chief Train Controller

This is an "Additional Tram" thread - so here's an additional tram for Glengowrie depot.

H-Type 351 returns from storage (with graffiti damage) 2nd Aug 2011.

370 will be leaving later today.

Bill.



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