Was there a Cave Hill Sdg train line next to Mooroolbark and Lilydale ?

 
  NEUSCHWABENLAND Station Master

Location: Banned
you can find it here http://www.vrhistory.com/VRMaps/Vic1950.pdf look to the right of the page . and how many train stations are there on the  La La Extenstion in Warburton ?

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  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned

you can find it here http://www.vrhistory.com/VRMaps/Vic1950.pdf look to the right of the page . and how many train stations are there on the La La Extenstion in Warburton ?

"NEUSCHWABENLAND"
Yes, the limestone quarry called Cave Hill Siding was in use until the 1980's; you can see, in the fence line, where the siding diverged just before Cave Hill Rd level crossing.

And there were no stations on the extension from Warburton to La La Sidings; they were to serve timber mills and the Seventh-Day Adventists factory making Sanitarium products.
  tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Looking at the Seymour area, Where did the Mobilisation siding go to?
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
The David Mitchell Estate has been producing cement from the Cave Hill quarry for many years, and it used to be railed out of the plant via the Cave Hill Siding.

Two major components in producing Portland Cement is limestone, from the quarry, and lots of heat. The heat was originally produced from furnaces fired with wood. The company had a tramway that ran from the plant eastwards, then along the creek in a southwards direction, just slight west of Swansea Road. It crossed over Swansea Road just north of the intersection with York Road, and ran parallel to York Road, then crossed York Road after it turned north. It then followed roughly the line of what is now Tramway Road and terminated in the vicinity of the Mt. Evelyn Reserve.

This tramway brought wood to fuel the furnaces, and was operated by a Baldwin steam tram motor, that came from one of the provincial tramways in Victoria, as I recall.

As a young person I remember tracing the route of the tramweay, but even then a lot of it was overgrown.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

 This tramway brought wood to fuel the furnaces, and was operated by a Baldwin steam tram motor, that came from one of the provincial tramways in Victoria, as I recall.
"TheBlacksmith"


From Bendigo.  There is an info board alongside the walking track that goes around Lillydale Lake that can fill you in on some of the details.  Incidentally, my great-grandfather was a steam engineer who worked on-board these steam trams in Bendigo in the 1890s...

As an aside, Cave Hill was/is planned to be a future Metro station if my street directory is to be believed.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
I wouldn't have thought that Cave Hill would have been a proposed station seeing as the old siding is only a few hundred metres from Lilydale station. There had always been a proposed station though (called Hull?) located midway to Mooroolbark near the overpass beside the pony club.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I wouldn't have thought that Cave Hill would have been a proposed station seeing as the old siding is only a few hundred metres from Lilydale station. There had always been a proposed station though (called Hull?) located midway to Mooroolbark near the overpass beside the pony club.
"Ballast_Plough"


You're right.  No station was ever planned for the Cave Hill Sdg location.  However in 1988 the Cain Government promised to build a station near the Hull & Mooroolbark Rd overpass called "Cave Hill".  Still hasn't happened....  Rolling Eyes
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Lilydale was served by two quarrries, the one at Cave Hill and the one at Coldstream, the remains of the old sidings trackbed still exist today along with a railway cutting about half way between Lilydale and Coldstream on the Maroondah Hwy side. The quarry is still in use today and is owned by Boral.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Black's Siding?
  NEUSCHWABENLAND Station Master

Location: Banned
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
The old Cave Hill Siding here...




  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Moved 'ere for obvious reasons.
  trestle_nutter Train Controller

Location: Yarra Valley
Lilydale was served by two quarrries, the one at Cave Hill and the one at Coldstream, the remains of the old sidings trackbed still exist today along with a railway cutting about half way between Lilydale and Coldstream on the Maroondah Hwy side. The quarry is still in use today and is owned by Boral.
"trainbrain"


Coldstream quarry siding in 2008

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  phpunit6

I wouldn't have thought that Cave Hill would have been a proposed station seeing as the old siding is only a few hundred metres from Lilydale station. There had always been a proposed station though (called Hull?) located midway to Mooroolbark near the overpass beside the pony club.
"Ballast_Plough"


You're right.  No station was ever planned for the Cave Hill Sdg location.  However in 1988 the Cain Government promised to build a station near the Hull & Mooroolbark Rd overpass called "Cave Hill".  Still hasn't happened....  Rolling Eyes
"Carnot"


Must go back earlier then that, "Cave Hill Railway Station" is in The Register of Geographical Names from 2nd May 1966 near the location of the Cave Hill substation, Hull and Mooroolbark Roads.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
From memory, prior to closure, the Cave Hill limestone traffic was run as part of the Healesville goods, which ran twice a week.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but my recollection is that the train would arrive into 3 road at Lilydale, with empty limestone hoppers first behind the loco.  The Healesville wagons would be detached, then the loco plus hoppers would run around and reverse back up the hill to the Cave Hill siding.  The empty hoppers would be dropped off, and full ones picked up from an adjacent road.  The loco would then return to Lilydale yard, and would drop the full hoppers in 4 road before returning to the train and taking it on to Healesville.  Usually there would also be fertiliser traffic for Coldstream, and occasionally a wagon would be dropped off or picked up at Yarra Glen.  On return from Healesville the train would pick up the hoppers and take them back to Melbourne.  I think they finished up in the yard at Victoria Park, and sometimes one or two could be seen in the siding between East Richmond and Burnley.  There is (was?) some kind of David Mitchell facility at that point.

In those days, both Mooroolbark and Croydon had passing loops but no second platforms.  Occasionally the goods could be seen refuged at one of those locations, if it was running late or into the peak hour.

All that remains now of the Cave Hill siding is a gate in the fence around the quarry, easily seen from a passing spark.  I'm not sure if the actual tracks were pulled up, or just buried under a new roadway.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Looking at the Seymour area, Where did the Mobilisation siding go to?
"tranzitjim"

The main lines crossed Victoria Street at a level crossing, which was operated by Seymour "B" box.  (This was before the SG went through and the LX was abolished.)  The line to the Mob Siding (as we used to call it) did not go through the level crossing, but came out of the Seymour yard at a point just Up of the box, went behind the box, and crossed Victoria Street on its own.  From memory it was a completely unprotected crossing, but it was hardly ever used.

The "Mob Siding" was an army depot about one km out of town, much used during and after WW2 when Seymour was as much an army town as a railway one.  AFAIK it is still there, although it would now be more of a social scene than an operational one.  If you drive out along Wimble Street, you can see what remains of it on your left.  The tracks into it were pulled up many years ago, and the Victoria Street crossing was removed, but nowadays the SRHC occupies the old right of way between Victoria Street and the next road along, Oak Street.  The alignment beyond Oak Street has been partly built on, but if you project the line of the SRHC across the road, you can get an idea of where it went.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

From memory, prior to closure, the Cave Hill limestone traffic was run as part of the Healesville goods, which ran twice a week. 
"Lad_Porter"

I can't comment on the "prior to closure" situation, but in 1964 the WTT shows a daily (Mon-Fri) goods leaving Lilydale at 2:10pm, arriving Cave Hill at 2:16, and returning at 2:33, arriving Lilydale 2:36pm.
This wasn't associated with any particular train on the branches - indeed back then the Healesville (Wed) and Warburton (Tu, Th) goods only ran from and to Lilydale, using the loco based at Lilydale. There was a daily goods from Melbourne Yard leaving at 9:30am on Mon, and 2:40am Tu-Fri. The return service left Lilydale at 8:40pm Mon-Fri.

When the Warburton line closed, the loco based at Lilydale was removed, so from then the Healesville goods would have run from Melbourne. I do remember hearing it work through Mitcham (on the down) during the night. The only way to work Cave Hill at that time would have been as Lad_Porter described.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
My recollection of watching the movements in 1982/83 when I was in Yr 11/12 was that the Bayswater goods ran virtually daily. On a Tuesday & Thursday the Baysie goods would also run to Lilydale for Cave Hill and sometimes Coldstream for fertiliser.
  tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Looking at the Seymour area, Where did the Mobilisation siding go to?
"tranzitjim"

The main lines crossed Victoria Street at a level crossing, which was operated by Seymour "B" box.  (This was before the SG went through and the LX was abolished.)  The line to the Mob Siding (as we used to call it) did not go through the level crossing, but came out of the Seymour yard at a point just Up of the box, went behind the box, and crossed Victoria Street on its own.  From memory it was a completely unprotected crossing, but it was hardly ever used.

The "Mob Siding" was an army depot about one km out of town, much used during and after WW2 when Seymour was as much an army town as a railway one.  AFAIK it is still there, although it would now be more of a social scene than an operational one.  If you drive out along Wimble Street, you can see what remains of it on your left.  The tracks into it were pulled up many years ago, and the Victoria Street crossing was removed, but nowadays the SRHC occupies the old right of way between Victoria Street and the next road along, Oak Street.  The alignment beyond Oak Street has been partly built on, but if you project the line of the SRHC across the road, you can get an idea of where it went.
"Lad_Porter"


Thanks for that. I am now looking at a VicRoads directory, and may plan a visit out that way one day soon.

There is a 'mentor street' on the map, and a dropmore av on the current map. Where would the railway have gone in relation to these?

Also on the SRHC yard, which I have spent many days at,
...There is a vehicle track on the outside of their fence.  Could this have been the old ROW?

Also trying to remember my walk along oak street, there was a crest near the back of SRHC.  Where was the crossing in relation to that?
  tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
RE SEYMOUR.

I have just had a look on 'near map' and can clearly see what would have been a railway.

Looks like they have built their Diesel storage shed over the original ROW.

Could it be handy for SRHC to extend themselves out that way?
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

There was an army line that extended some two to three miles past this location at the back of the SRHC depot.............................
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
At the risk of completely derailing the thread (I think LadPorter accidentally cut and paste into the wrong thread), anyone who has Google Earth with the Vic Tracks overlay, zoom in on Seymour and you'll see the siding extending out to the east.

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