Northern Sydney Freight Corridor (NSFC)

 
  Dover Chief Train Controller




Has any work started or a start been planned yet ?

"BDA"


One of the sets of catchpoints on the Down Relief at North Strathfield is due to come out first weekend in March, so that they have space (not in a throw off area) to start construction of the fly under.

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  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!

Re Gosford Passing Loops...

"Rail line shutdown 2–3 March 2013

RailCorp have scheduled a rail line shutdown 2 – 3 March 2013. During this period we will be undertaking work for the Gosford Passing Loops Project between 7.00am – 10.00pm on Saturday 2 and Sunday 3 March. This work will include:


  • site investigation and geotechnical surveys within the rail corridor

  • excavation of test pits and bore hole drilling for soil samples

  • underground services searches.

To minimise disruption to the community noisier works will be conducted during daytime hours where possible."

http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/projects-northern-sydney-freight-corridor-program/gosford-passing-loops/current-works

Latest TfNSW project update for the Gosford Passing Loops is available

http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/b2b/projects/NSFC_GPL_Project_Update_Feb_2013.pdf

  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
A very big if but if ARTC got hold of the River bank section I'm sure they could do something with the super elevation , the stuffed rails and maybe some minor alignment work to make life easier for heavy trains .
To stand on the ground and look at the rail infrastructure on the tight bends you think this is garbage .
Doesn't matter so much for short light high Hp/tonne ratio EMUs and DMUs .
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney

Is there any chance that the bridge on the original alinement (of the original bridge) over the Hawkesbury River could be reinstated (with a refurbishment of the old piers/pylons and tunnel) One of the Northern piers failed didn't It ? forcing the replacement of the bridge with the current one ?
"Nightfire"
Zero chance all the piers need replacing.
"42101"
Ok thanks 8)
"Nightfire"


The original bridge piers were shoddily built and by the 1930s, double track was reduced to a single gauntlet track with a 10mph speed limit. Construction of the replacement bridge was start early in WW2, in case the old bridge collapsed. Such collapse would have been a real nuisance for the war effort.

The old bridge, while strengthen with difficulty, for higher axle loads may have still have had axle load limitations.

  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!

Reading the NSFC Strategic Review I doubt there will be anymore spending within the NSFC for another decade - or probably two.

57 options down to 34 projects down to 19 NSFC projects down to 4 that got the nod - that's the reality  Exclamation
  HeadShunt Chief Train Controller




Something that occured to me is a few mods to increase flexibility at Wyong . The terminating platform road is on the up side and it wouldn't take a lot of work to make this a run through road . It could be extended to the north and a medium speed turnout spliced in - say 50 km/h set . The Sydney end has from memory a pathetic low speed crossover into/out of this dead end road .
"BDA"


Are you referring to the Up Refuge Loop / platform 1? This is already a through road, although the points at the country end are seldom used. The two sidings connected to the country end could become part of the extension.

  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Yep should have said longer run through road .
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!



Yep should have said longer run through road .

"BDA"


Would this be a Railcorp or TfNSW project. Interested and prepared to pay.

Given how the number and scope of NSFC projects shrunk in the seven years since it was proposed.

  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney



Re Gosford Passing Loops...

"cootanee"


The new loops seem to be about 2200m+ long which is 800m longer than a 1500m train. This means that a train entering the long loop leaves/clears the main line at a resonable speed rather than snail's pace, which is quicker, and reduces delays to following trains.

Presumably the turnouts at the north end will be something like 80+km/h.

There is no mention, however, of any upgrade in the 25km/h turnout speed at the south end of the new loops.

There is also no mention of any widening of track centres through Platforms 1 and 2, which are currently interlocked so that you cannot use BOTH platforms at the same time. This is probably because these platforms are built to the very narrow track centres in place when the line was built around c1890. G sets for one at 3000mm width are wider than the original carriages, though it is not clear what the original track centres and carriage widths actually were.

The NSFC diagram also shows the down stabling sidings connected at the north end, whereas in fact, they have been remodelled to connect at the south end. The Down Garratt siding and two Up sidings have also been shown as being removed.

  arctic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Zurich

Epping to Thornleigh Third Track contract awarded to Leightons.....

http://www.railexpress.com.au/archive/2013/march-2013/march-20-2013/other-top-stories/leighton-and-abigroup-win-epping-to-thornleigh-third-track-contract

Leighton and Abigroup win Epping to Thornleigh Third Track contract

by Rail Express — last modified Mar 20, 2013 02:09 PM

— filed under: Weekly Top Stories, Rail

Transport for NSW has selected Leighton Contractors and Abigroup to deliver the Epping to Thornleigh Third Track project in an alliance contract worth $265m.

The ETTT Alliance, consisting of TfNSW with Leighton Contractors and Abigroup, will design and construct roughly 6km of new track, three turnouts, bridgeworks, and station works at Cheltenham, Pennant Hills and Beecroft stations, according to Leighton.

“By providing additional northbound paths for freight trains, the project will significantly reduce waiting times for freight trains and increase the reliability of both freight and passenger services,” Leighton said.

Leighton’s managing director, Craig Laslett, said the contractor was committed to continued work with TfNSW to develop rail infrastructure throughout the freight network.

“Projects such as ETTT bring major benefits to commuters, the environment and the state’s economy,” Laslett said. “Our ETTT Alliance team integrates civil, track, electrical and signalling specialists who are experienced in managing complex interfaces between construction and rail operations to safely and efficiently deliver major projects within the live rail network.”

The ETTT Alliance is expected to commence construction later this year, and the project is scheduled for completion by mid-2016.

  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!



Epping to Thornleigh Third Track contract awarded to Leightons.....

http://www.railexpress.com.au/archive/2013/march-2013/march-20-2013/other-top-stories/leighton-and-abigroup-win-epping-to-thornleigh-third-track-contract

Leighton and Abigroup win Epping to Thornleigh Third Track contract
by Rail Express — last modified Mar 20, 2013 02:09 PM
— filed under: Weekly Top Stories, Rail
Transport for NSW has selected Leighton Contractors and Abigroup to deliver the Epping to Thornleigh Third Track project in an alliance contract worth $265m.
The ETTT Alliance, consisting of TfNSW with Leighton Contractors and Abigroup, will design and construct roughly 6km of new track, three turnouts, bridgeworks, and station works at Cheltenham, Pennant Hills and Beecroft stations, according to Leighton.

“By providing additional northbound paths for freight trains, the project will significantly reduce waiting times for freight trains and increase the reliability of both freight and passenger services,” Leighton said.

Leighton’s managing director, Craig Laslett, said the contractor was committed to continued work with TfNSW to develop rail infrastructure throughout the freight network.

“Projects such as ETTT bring major benefits to commuters, the environment and the state’s economy,” Laslett said. “Our ETTT Alliance team integrates civil, track, electrical and signalling specialists who are experienced in managing complex interfaces between construction and rail operations to safely and efficiently deliver major projects within the live rail network.”

The ETTT Alliance is expected to commence construction later this year, and the project is scheduled for completion by mid-2016.

"arctic"


Cheap at $44m a km Wink
  Groover Train Controller

Location: A long way from home

Fantastic news for the project.  Will it make a big difference?

And the next choke point will be????

Meadowbank bidge and the 4 tracks to West Ryde from Concord West.  You can hear it now, freights are going to be held at Rhodes or prohibited from getting that far in peak shoulder times because of their need to slow, stop and accelerate out of Rhodes to get to West Ryde.

As with most NSW infrastructure projects:
"Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey"

I remember when they replaced the old bridge and the new girders came from Chullora and it all seemed to happen quite quickly and smoothly.  How much would those girders cost in todays money plus disruption? Opportunity cost or opportunity missed.

  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney



You can hear it now, freights are going to be held at Rhodes or prohibited from getting that far in peak shoulder times because of their need to slow, stop and accelerate out of Rhodes to get to West Ryde.

"Groover"


At least the turnouts for departing Rhodes from the Relief line are HS 80km/h ones. This was upgraded in about 2000.

The turnout at West Ryde is IIRC a slower 40km/h job which should be upgraded assuming that freighters can go faster than that on the 1 in 40 grade.

Is this mentioned in the NSFC report?

  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!



...

Is this mentioned in the NSFC report?

"awsgc24"


Reading time Idea
http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/b2b/projects/TP_NSFC_Strategic_Review_Report_July_2012.pdf

  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney





...

Is this mentioned in the NSFC report?

"awsgc24"


Reading time Idea
http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/b2b/projects/TP_NSFC_Strategic_Review_Report_July_2012.pdf

"cootanee"


FYI, No mention of "turnout" or "turnout speed".

  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney





...

Is this mentioned in the NSFC report?

"awsgc24"


Reading time Idea
http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/b2b/projects/TP_NSFC_Strategic_Review_Report_July_2012.pdf

"cootanee"


FYI, No mention of "turnout" or "turnout speed".

  Piston Train Controller






You can hear it now, freights are going to be held at Rhodes or prohibited from getting that far in peak shoulder times because of their need to slow, stop and accelerate out of Rhodes to get to West Ryde.

"Groover"


At least the turnouts for departing Rhodes from the Relief line are HS 80km/h ones. This was upgraded in about 2000.

The turnout at West Ryde is IIRC a slower 40km/h job which should be upgraded assuming that freighters can go faster than that on the 1 in 40 grade.

Is this mentioned in the NSFC report?

"awsgc24"

The turnout from the Down relief to the Down Main (53 Points) is rated at X70. The turnout at Concord West is rated at 80kmhr.
The turnout from the Down Main to the Down Suburban at West Ryde is rated at X50 (101 Points). As the majority of freight use the outer suburban track on the down they are severely penalised from getting a run at the hill. A short term solution would be to start the down relief after Meadowbank on the straight through an X80 or better turnout and a new bridge across Victoria Road at West Ryde.

Four tracks across the Parramatta River will be a long way off. The jigs for the construction of the girders for the Meadowbank bridge are long gone along with the Chullora Workshops that manufactured them. Also the remaining piers for the extra tracks over the bridge do not meet the current standards.

  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney



The turnout from the Down Main to the Down Suburban at West Ryde is rated at X50 (101 Points). As the majority of freight use the outer suburban track on the down they are severely penalised from getting a run at the hill.

"Piston"


Is there room between the end of the WR platform and the left-hand curve to lengthen turnout 101 and make it say an X80 ?

It might be necessary to move the platform southwards over the Main Road.

Of course, with tangential turnouts, it is easier to to put high speed turnouts on the **___m radius curve, further north.

**Unfortunately, because West Ryde is no longer in the ARTC zone, the ARTC curve and gradient diagrams start at Hanbury near Newcastle, and no longer bother to cover West Ryde. This is the result of smashing the systems into lots of little pieces.

  Dover Chief Train Controller






The turnout from the Down Main to the Down Suburban at West Ryde is rated at X50 (101 Points). As the majority of freight use the outer suburban track on the down they are severely penalised from getting a run at the hill.

"Piston"


Is there room between the end of the WR platform and the left-hand curve to lengthen turnout 101 and make it say an X80 ?

It might be necessary to move the platform southwards over the Main Road.

Of course, with tangential turnouts, it is easier to to put high speed turnouts on the **___m radius curve, further north.

**Unfortunately, because West Ryde is no longer in the ARTC zone, the ARTC curve and gradient diagrams start at Hanbury near Newcastle, and no longer bother to cover West Ryde. This is the result of smashing the systems into lots of little pieces.

"awsgc24"


Here is the full version of the NSW C&G Diagram: http://www.railcorp.info/__data/assets/file/0020/686/Curve__and__Gradient_Diagrams_V2-0_b.zip

  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!







...

Is this mentioned in the NSFC report?

"awsgc24"


Reading time Idea
http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/b2b/projects/TP_NSFC_Strategic_Review_Report_July_2012.pdf

"cootanee"


FYI, No mention of "turnout" or "turnout speed".

"awsgc24"


Yep. Therefore not a factor in scoping this program. Although surely Railcorp could upgrade it at anytime - if they felt like it Wink
  Groover Train Controller

Location: A long way from home







You can hear it now, freights are going to be held at Rhodes or prohibited from getting that far in peak shoulder times because of their need to slow, stop and accelerate out of Rhodes to get to West Ryde.

"Groover"


At least the turnouts for departing Rhodes from the Relief line are HS 80km/h ones. This was upgraded in about 2000.

The turnout at West Ryde is IIRC a slower 40km/h job which should be upgraded assuming that freighters can go faster than that on the 1 in 40 grade.

Is this mentioned in the NSFC report?

"awsgc24"

The turnout from the Down relief to the Down Main (53 Points) is rated at X70. The turnout at Concord West is rated at 80kmhr.
The turnout from the Down Main to the Down Suburban at West Ryde is rated at X50 (101 Points). As the majority of freight use the outer suburban track on the down they are severely penalised from getting a run at the hill. A short term solution would be to start the down relief after Meadowbank on the straight through an X80 or better turnout and a new bridge across Victoria Road at West Ryde.

Four tracks across the Parramatta River will be a long way off. The jigs for the construction of the girders for the Meadowbank bridge are long gone along with the Chullora Workshops that manufactured them. Also the remaining piers for the extra tracks over the bridge do not meet the current standards.

"Piston"


The comment re the piers is an interesting point.  I had wondered if they could withstand 2 freights + 2 pass trains at the same time, at speed.
The River will remain a choke point for a very long tme.  I don't know enough about the traffic projections, but I imagine the inland route via Parkes and Toowoomba will come to fruition before a new bridge.

  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney







The turnout from the Down Main to the Down Suburban at West Ryde is rated at X50 (101 Points). As the majority of freight use the outer suburban track on the down they are severely penalised from getting a run at the hill.

"Piston"


Is there room between the end of the WR platform and the left-hand curve to lengthen turnout 101 and make it say an X80 ?

It might be necessary to move the platform southwards over the Main Road.

Of course, with tangential turnouts, it is easier to to put high speed turnouts on the **___m radius curve, further north.

**Unfortunately, because West Ryde is no longer in the ARTC zone, the ARTC curve and gradient diagrams start at Hanbury near Newcastle, and no longer bother to cover West Ryde. This is the result of smashing the systems into lots of little pieces.

"awsgc24"


Here is the full version of the NSW C&G Diagram: http://www.railcorp.info/__data/assets/file/0020/686/Curve__and__Gradient_Diagrams_V2-0_b.zip

"Dover"


Thankyou, Dover.

The left hand curve north of W Ryde station is 470m (23chains).

I shall ask perway nut what higher speed turnout is possible.



  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!



...
... I don't know enough about the traffic projections ...

"Groover"



Ideahttp://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/b2b/projects/TP_NSFC_Strategic_Review_Report_July_2012.pdf


"The NSFC works are designed to cater for the forecast growth in interstate freight

between now and 2028 based on existing passenger operations. Additional projects may

be required for transport of coal prior to 2028, along sections of the Main North Line north

of Wyong. Coal was not the primary consideration in the initial NSFC scoping exercise,

with the four funded projects chiefly focused on alleviating capacity constraints for

interstate container freight. Any further work will be subject to separate funding and

planning approval."

Also see Section 3.

  Rails Chief Commissioner










You can hear it now, freights are going to be held at Rhodes or prohibited from getting that far in peak shoulder times because of their need to slow, stop and accelerate out of Rhodes to get to West Ryde.

"Groover"


At least the turnouts for departing Rhodes from the Relief line are HS 80km/h ones. This was upgraded in about 2000.

The turnout at West Ryde is IIRC a slower 40km/h job which should be upgraded assuming that freighters can go faster than that on the 1 in 40 grade.

Is this mentioned in the NSFC report?

"awsgc24"

The turnout from the Down relief to the Down Main (53 Points) is rated at X70. The turnout at Concord West is rated at 80kmhr.
The turnout from the Down Main to the Down Suburban at West Ryde is rated at X50 (101 Points). As the majority of freight use the outer suburban track on the down they are severely penalised from getting a run at the hill. A short term solution would be to start the down relief after Meadowbank on the straight through an X80 or better turnout and a new bridge across Victoria Road at West Ryde.

Four tracks across the Parramatta River will be a long way off. The jigs for the construction of the girders for the Meadowbank bridge are long gone along with the Chullora Workshops that manufactured them. Also the remaining piers for the extra tracks over the bridge do not meet the current standards.

"Piston"


The comment re the piers is an interesting point. I had wondered if they could withstand 2 freights + 2 pass trains at the same time, at speed.
The River will remain a choke point for a very long tme. I don't know enough about the traffic projections, but I imagine the inland route via Parkes and Toowoomba will come to fruition before a new bridge.

"Groover"


Interestingly TNSW have apparently already costed up the additional tracks between West Ryde and Rhodes and put it forward as part of a package of future rail enhancements.



  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney

Today, a freight train failed at Denistone, causing down passenger trains to be suspended between Rhodes and Epping.

It would be possible for up pax to keep on running by going Epping P1-Strathfield-City-Chatswood-ECRL-Epping P6.

Is is assumed that a signal is installed to allow trains to terminate at Cheltenham to cross from the Down to the Up.

Thornliegh is difficult to use for terminating, and the emergency crossovers are operated by those wonderful ground frames, without any signals. Alternately, crossover at Hornsby.

Did the rear of this freighter failed at Denisone hang back and block the Dn North-Dn North Suburban xover 101 at West Ryde? The radio did not say. The exact kind of failure was also not explained.

FYI.

There are 1 in 60 gradients past Meadowbank.

There are 1 in 40 gradients through Denistone.

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