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      petan Chief Commissioner

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    March 2014 updated PDF version of my Nerang Central Sugar Mill research is available from https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwcVg0VTVxX0ZTTW8/edit

    The URLs in the PDF may need to be copied and pasted manually. The article became too large for a Railpage post size
    Posted: 02 Mar 2013 16:08

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      petan Chief Commissioner

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    More assorted images for my Nerang Central Sugar Mill topic are available from http://s311.photobucket.com/user/petanoz/library/Nerang%20Sugar%20Tramway?sort=9&page=1
    Posted: 02 Mar 2013 16:10

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      bronwyn Train Controller

    Location: from Rocky to pommy land! and now I am back in the nations capital serving the public
    thank you for that it was a very interesting read. is there anything left to see along the route?
    Posted: 04 Mar 2013 11:57
      Laidback Station Master


    Very interesting - as I'm staying just across the road from the Mill location.

    I found this -

    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/20419276?searchTerm=benowa&searchLimits=



    Sugar Mill at Pimpama Island.


    On Saturday afternoon the recently erected sugar mill was opened at Pim-pama Island. The mill, which was formerly known as the Nerang Centril sugar mill, was purchased by Mr. W.Heck, of Pimpama. Island, from the State Government for removal from Benowa.The opening ceremony was performed hyMr. G. F. Dautb. Congratulatory speecheswere mule by Messrs. R. M. King, A. A.Jam?s, B. J. Stark, and B. Peachey.Mr. Heck, who has been a resident of the Logan district for the last 30 years,has had considerable experience in the sugar growing industry.

    Posted: 04 Mar 2013 16:30
      drwaddles In need of a breath mint

    Location: Newcastle

    Great read - thanks Peter! I am very much enjoying your contributions as they help piece together road development as well.



    Are you having that article publishing in Light Railways or something to ensure it's not lost to future researchers?

    Edit: I'm getting 404 errors trying to load any of your photobucket links - help!

    Posted: 06 Mar 2013 00:15

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      petan Chief Commissioner

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    Great read - thanks Peter! I am very much enjoying your contributions as they help piece together road development as well. Are you having that article publishing in Light Railways or something to ensure it's not lost to future researchers? Edit: I'm getting 404 errors trying to load any of your photobucket links - help!
    drwaddles


    Thanks Dr Waddles for your kind words.

    Tramway images http://s311.beta.photobucket.com/user/petanoz/library/Tramways

    South Coast Line images at http://s311.beta.photobucket.com/user/petanoz/library/All%20Coolangatta%20Tweed%20Line%20images

    Index at the following and if not showing click the LIBRARY link towards the top left. http://s311.beta.photobucket.com/user/petanoz/library/

    Last night the links changed when I updated some items. The 1966 topographical map was modified by extending the short branch over the culvert on the approx site of the southern end of present day Edinburgh Rd. After I read a book I thought the change was required.

    Still trying to sort out the Rushton Ferry.
    Posted: 06 Mar 2013 08:36

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      drwaddles In need of a breath mint

    Location: Newcastle
    ^ Cheers.
    Posted: 06 Mar 2013 11:53
      petan Chief Commissioner

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    Just changed thread heading to South Coast QLD Historical Tramways sugar timber road construction etc as the previous Nerang Central Sugar Mill topic will be expanded to cover other historical regional tramways including the 1920s steam powered Neranwood timber line as well as the tramway involved in the road building between Main Beach and Burleigh Heads.  

    Hopefully the QGR line will stay a separate thread as they were two completely different operations, although there were some overlaps.

    An example of the overlap is the following which is what I posted on the QGR South Coast thread recently...

    Attached is what I have named as the "Worongary Merrimac" section of Moreton 40 chain map. Sheet 11 South, published at the Survey Office, Department of Public Lands, Brisbane, Queensland, October, 1917.

    Apart from the QGR line, it also shows the Nerang Central Sugar Mill's tramway.

    Also on the far eastern end of the Nerang River is Harpers Wharf, mentioned in John Browning’s “The Southport-Burleigh road construction tramway”, in Light Railways, journal of Light Railway Research Society of Australia Inc., 213 June 2010.

    Edmund [Ned] Harper’s land was Portion 27, a 40 acre block, next to a wharf reserve. [Longhurst, Robert “Nerang Shire: a history to 1949”, Albert Shire Council, 1994.P.45] John Browning article mentions the stone was brought downstream to Harper’s Wharf, where a tramway loading point was established on Reserve 57.

    Look for former wharf site at the junction of Nerang River and Little Tallebudgera Creek and locate E. Harper's 40 acre block with wharf reserve 57 next door on the northern side.

    All parish map extracts and other QLD Government produced maps I use by courtesy Queensland Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry [2013].

    http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/Worongary-Merrimac-1917-QLD_zps854662b6.jpg

    Posted: 13 Mar 2013 11:45

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      petan Chief Commissioner

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    Regarding the Southport Burleigh road construction tramway mentioned in the previous post; I now have a 1929 parish map of the Southport Burleigh road built as well as a 1917 parish map, to show the before and after situation. Links provided below.

    This 2 ft / 610 mm gauge tramway hauled quarried rock from Harper's Wharf for the building of the first road from the 1925 built Jubilee Bridge at Main Beach to Burleigh Heads via Elston, renamed Surfers Paradise in 1933.

    Harper's Wharf was located near the junction of the Nerang River and Little Tallebudgera Creek in Broadbeach, marked as R57 on both the 1929 and 1917 maps. Harper's name is on his property which adjoins the wharf reserve on the southern side on the 1917 map but that was changed to a new owner on the 1929 map. Harper died 1896 and was buried in what later became the Cascades Gardens picnic area on Little Tallebudgera Creek.

    A comparison of the 1917 and 1929 maps will show road changes, some of which were due to the Southport Burleigh tramway. It also will show the changes to the Southport Spit in that period.

    All this material is just in time for any railway historians who may visit the Gold Coast over Easter.

    The 1929 map, shows the route of the 1920s Southport Burleigh main road and therefore the route of the construction tramway
    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwRzBxRHduX0xKOGc/edit

    The 1917 map, shows the roads before the building of the 1920s Southport Burleigh main road
    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwakJMWC1ZVTRwVzA/edit

    Benowa Central Sugar Mill tramway from the 1917 map, which shows its proximity to the Burleigh Southport tramway
    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwdzltUm0wcWNjcGc/edit

    Any pencil marks were on the map before it was sealed in plastic years ago at the QSA.

    All parish map extracts and other QLD Government produced maps I use by courtesy Queensland Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry [2013].
    Posted: 21 Mar 2013 22:39

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      petan Chief Commissioner

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    Post complete altered as I have updated my Neranwood article https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwRTdmdVNRWFhnOFE/view  


    The image links work from the PDF so should work ok if you download the PDF. It is basically the same PDF from a couple of years ago with the image links rechecked. I termed the article Neranwood Trove as I have included the Trove internet links for those who wish to engage in further research on this topic.
    Posted: 29 Mar 2013 20:04

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      Laidback Station Master

    Again, thanks for the info Smile

    So, on Google Street view would the line come from through the gate up and to the left of the ute?
    Posted: 30 Mar 2013 12:45
      petan Chief Commissioner

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    Again, thanks for the info Smile So, on Google Street view would the line come from through the gate up and to the left of the ute?
    Laidback

    Checked both the ute track and the one up and to the left of the ute. The one without the ute seemed to be more likely the tramway route while the ute one seemed to get a bit steep for the tramway, when viewed from the bitumen road, as we did not walk that side due to the keep out sign and gates.  

    We walked the route to the east as there were no sign nor gates. The eastern tramway formation can be seen left hand side downhill just above Little Nerang Road.
    Posted: 30 Mar 2013 14:18

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      petan Chief Commissioner

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    thank you for that it was a very interesting read. is there anything left to see along the route?
    bronwyn
    No relics found so far on the Benowa sugar mill tramway, having checked east towards Isle of Capri, the Carrara Ferry site both sides of the river and west towards the Molendinar Railway exchange siding area.

    Checked the Gold Coast Regional Botanic Gardens again this arvo after a family picnic. The Nerang Central Sugar Mill Paddock extended from Benowa Road to Rosser Park which is now the Gold Coast Regional Botanic Gardens, with the mill on the western end of the mill paddock .
    Posted: 30 Mar 2013 19:59
      petan Chief Commissioner

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    There is a 6 MB PDF file of John Kerr's notes on the Neranwood tramway available from http://www.daff.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/50793/qld_se_saw13.pdf
    Posted: 30 Mar 2013 20:23
      Laidback Station Master

    No relics found so far on the Benowa sugar mill tramway, having checked east towards Isle of Capri, the Carrara Ferry site both sides of the river and west towards the Molendinar Railway exchange siding area.

    Checked the Gold Coast Regional Botanic Gardens again this arvo after a family picnic. The Nerang Central Sugar Mill Paddock extended from Benowa Road to Rosser Park which is now the Gold Coast Regional Botanic Gardens, with the mill on the western end of the mill paddock .
    petan
    I've checked the Botanical Gardens a couple of times as I'm staying right across the road, the area has been too extensively remodeled to leave any signs, imho.
    Posted: 02 Apr 2013 12:31
      petan Chief Commissioner

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    There is a 6 MB PDF file of John Kerr's notes on the Neranwood tramway available from http://www.daff.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/50793/qld_se_saw13.pdf
    petan
    Some recent Neranwood tramway route pictures;

    Little Nerang Rd / Range Road junction, looking eastwards at the formation route entrance into the bush https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwS05GUnNsY21yS0k/edit?ups=drive_web


    Neranwood timber tramway east of Little Nerang Rd meets Range Road junction.    Height of side cutting indicated by slope of fallen tree https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwVDNmUzR1YWQ4dEU/edit?ups=drive_web
    Posted: 16 Apr 2013 13:35

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      petan Chief Commissioner

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    The following text, image and downloadable audio from the local ABC Gold Coast radio about the Maid of Sker side paddle wheeler may interest some as this was one of the ships that carried processed sugar from Benowa to Brisbane for the Nerang Central Sugar Mill.  Also served sugar mills along the other South Coast rivers.

    Maid of Sker - The last of the fleet http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2013/04/16/3737928.htm?site=goldcoast

    By Candice Marshall (ABC Gold Coast Cross Media Reporter)  
    Hunting heritage histories: Gold Coast heritage sites explored.
    Similar South Coast histories http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/01/18/3672201.htm

    Cheers
    Peter Cokley
    Posted: 18 Apr 2013 08:18
      petan Chief Commissioner

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    Post removed as the contents were superseded by the updated initial post.
    Posted: 24 Apr 2013 14:27

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      petan Chief Commissioner

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    For a good time, especially for Canungra and Neranwood tramway researchers, go to the following for a 1930 topographical map. It covers Surfers Paradise to Tugun on the coast and west to Canungra and approx Beaudesert. Harper Wharf is marked at Broadbeach as a jetty. Also shows Meyers Vehicular Ferry across the Nerang River to Cavill Ave as well as the Carrara Vehicular Ferry between Benowa and Carrara. Also shows the QGR South Coast railway.

    The direct Nerang Worongary road is shown as a stock route although, as you know, the present day M1 Pacific Motorway follows a vaguely similar route. In that era the Nerang Worongary road is shown as going via Merrimac and Carrara.  

    Springbrook c1930 scale 1:63,360 Creator: Royal Australian Survey Corps.

    Two sizes are downloadable from me according to your need.
    30 MB https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwdWJYSkwtR21TZXc/edit

    6 MB https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwTkNMX3BXTFhNZFE/edit  

    From John Oxley Library, Record: 696803 http://hdl.handle.net/10462/comp/1344

    John Oxley Library has more data at http://blogs.slq.qld.gov.au/jol/tag/maps/  

    Edited with my download site for the Springbrook [only] map.
    Posted: 04 May 2013 16:28

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      Laidback Station Master

    Tramway relics at -28.084646,153.349593 according to photo on Google Earth.
    Posted: 08 May 2013 13:18
      Johnmc Moderator

    Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
    Tramway relics at -28.084646,153.349593 according to photo on Google Earth.
    Laidback
    Link to Panoramio photo:

    https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/52204746
    Posted: 08 May 2013 13:40
      petan Chief Commissioner

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    Ageston Plantation Dig 2012 [Logan Albert area]


    From Gold Coast Council' Library website http://www.goldcoast.qld.gov.au/library/sugaropolis-10696.html  


    Dr Kevin Rains from Gold Coast Council's Heritage Team will share some of the fascinating discoveries being made at the latest archaeological dig in the city - the Ageston Sugar Plantation.


    Join us to learn about one of the most interesting historical sites in Queensland.

    From: 10:00 AM to 11:00 AM, Wednesday, 22 May 2013

    Where: Local Studies Library, Southport GCCC Library

    Phone: (07) 5581 7217

    Email: lslibrary@goldcoast.qld.gov.au  


    Ageston Plantation Dig 2012

    The archaeological program at Ageston Plantation began in late September 2012 with a joint project between the University of Queensland and City of Gold Coast's Office of City Architect and Heritage to investigate the archaeological potential of the site. Described in 1873 as one of the finest plants in the Moreton district, the Ageston Sugar Mill in Alberton operated on this site from 1866 to the 1890s.


    http://heritage.goldcoast.qld.gov.au/Histories/archaeology/ageston-plantation-dig-2012  



    Not sure if I am available that day but other folk may wish to attend.
    Posted: 13 May 2013 20:04
      petan Chief Commissioner

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    The historical outdated material I provide is the result of private research and does not reflect the current operational activities of Queensland Rail [QR] or Aurizon or any other present day transport operator. We also have no connection or relationship with any transport operator.

    Maps Parish; TheMoreton district 40 chain to the inch cadastral parish maps were publishedby the then Survey Office, Queensland Department of Public Lands. Initial public sales price was 2 shillings and 6 pence pre1930. Use of these historical Survey Office Parish maps for this research wasapproved by the Department of Natural Resources and Mines 2013. More information, including their Museum of Lands, Mapping and Surveying, is available from the Land and Spatial Information, Department of Natural Resources and Mines, 867 Main Street (Cnr Vulture Street), Woolloongabba Qld.

    Peter Cokley
    Posted: 22 May 2013 10:57

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      petan Chief Commissioner

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    Beside the former Nerang Central Mill’s 0-4-0T Hunslet locomotive [B/N 1199 of 1915], another locomotive used on the Southport Burleigh Heads road construction tramway was a 20 HP Ford Model T petrol engine powered locomotive built in 1922 by the Queensland Government Garage in Brisbane.

    [img]http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Main%20Beach%20tramway%201920s/Petrol-loco_zpsb9d2d32a.jpg[/img]
    Posted: 21 Jun 2013 11:43

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      petan Chief Commissioner

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    Horse team loaded with rock from the Point Danger quarry to be used to build the rock walls on the Tweed River, New South Wales, c 1900 Local Studies Library, Gold Coast City Council

    I posted another image from this tramway at the other similar thread; South Coast Line steam era Southport Tweed Heads http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1839812.htm#1839812

    Also shown on Working Plans and Section SCL N-C s13 Tweed  https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwdFhWUmlkdUhyVE0/edit?pli=1&docId=0ByB-ppGeDyvwN1JfUFRCTDh2b1U


    [img]http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/Tweed-quarry-line-a_zps441b5c14.jpg[/img]
    Posted: 22 Jun 2013 10:45

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