South Coast Line steam era Southport Tweed Heads

 
  petan Chief Commissioner

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  petan Chief Commissioner

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  Laidback Station Master



Southport branch line cutting - http://www.panoramio.com/photo/87025925


  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
Looks like there might be a cutting remnant inside the area here - any ideas on access?
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle

^ Love the photo.

Looks like there might be a cutting remnant inside the area here - any ideas on access?

  Laidback Station Master




^ Love the photo.

Looks like there might be a cutting remnant inside the area here - any ideas on access?

"drwaddles"


Through Ernest Juction tunnel?

See this - http://www.bryansplace.net/old_southport_railway.htm


Edit: No sorry, that's north of Smith Street/M1 junction. So off Smith Street somewhere but I haven't been up there yet.

  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
The formation might be fenced off due to the motorways surrounding it - e.g. here.
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle

Another section of formation is still undeveloped approaching Coombabah Creek - access possible from the end of Greenacre Drive, perhaps?

Might need permission from the local hillbilly who lives there or else be shot...

  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!

Another section of formation is still undeveloped approaching Coombabah Creek - access possible from the end of Greenacre Drive, perhaps?
"drwaddles"



If you pretend is it before Coombabah station closed in 1891, you could catch the train to the right spot which would be near that station. Cuttings either end of that station site, according the working plans.



  Laidback Station Master


I just found this video of a guy riding an electric bike along the trail from Southport to Ernest Junction then through the tunnel.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zRf5iO2pKU&list=UUHh8ygSrPs1Z14n05n5JPJA&index=1

  Laidback Station Master




Another section of formation is still undeveloped approaching Coombabah Creek - access possible from the end of Greenacre Drive, perhaps?

Might need permission from the local hillbilly who lives there or else be shot...

"drwaddles"


the end of Greenacre Drive

Look beyond the 'keep out' sign and there is definitely a bank running across left to right. Bank #111 from the working plans possibly?

  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
I haven't examined the working plans in detail but it appears to be the top of a cutting from what I can see. Looks like it opens up into an embankment further north and old mates uses the formation as a driveway to get to his place.
  Laidback Station Master




I haven't examined the working plans in detail but it appears to be the top of a cutting from what I can see. Looks like it opens up into an embankment further north and old mates uses the formation as a driveway to get to his place.

"drwaddles"


Def a banking, I was stood on it today.

At the northern end of bank, looking up the straight section.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/87163353


The cutting #66 at the north of the straight section above.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/87164736


The cutting #67 just north of the Coombahbah station

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/87161310



More or less the site of Coombahbah station.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/87164131



Coombahbah Railway Station at around 14 chains in length (0.175 mile) would have taken up most of the straight section just north of Smith St, running along side of Napper Rd. A lot of that section is piled up with rubble, very overgrown and difficult to walk along until you get behind the houses where it's a little easier.

Apart from 1 fire damaged end of a sleeper with a spike sticking out of it and the cutting, you wouldn't know it was a former railway.



  Gaz170 Junior Train Controller

Location: Gold Coast



^ Love the photo.

Looks like there might be a cutting remnant inside the area here - any ideas on access?

"drwaddles"


Access is easy with no fences, I walked it about 18 months ago. (edit-just noticed the photos actually 2 1/2 years ago.) Start at the Northern end near the rail bridges over Smith St.

There are multiple paths so it's a bit confusing to find the old formation at first, but once you do it's easily followed.

  Laidback Station Master






^ Love the photo.

Looks like there might be a cutting remnant inside the area here - any ideas on access?

"drwaddles"


Access is easy with no fences, I walked it about 18 months ago. Start at the Northern end near the rail bridges over Smith St.

There are multiple paths so it's a bit confusing to find the old formation at first, but once you do it's easily followed.

"Gaz170"


Yes, fenced at the south and up the east side but not on the north....should be a couple of cuttings in there, I didn't have time to walk that section.

  Gaz170 Junior Train Controller

Location: Gold Coast
Uploaded some photos from there.


  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
^ Fantastic!
  Laidback Station Master




Uploaded some photos from there.
"Gaz170"


Great photo's - That's a much neater place than across the road! Wink I think I'll go there next.

  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!


More for your research. Far southern end Eastlake St, Worongary, about south western sector of the  cul-de-sac . But wear footwear as the ballast is not that smooth. A few fence posts also interesting. Both north and southern sides of the ambulance depot Worongary, also worth a check.

We are very curious about the green belt western side of hill along Spencer Rd between Pappas Way and John Francis Drive.

  Laidback Station Master





More for your research. Far southern end Eastlake St, Worongary, about south western sector of the cul-de-sac . But wear footwear as the ballast is not that smooth. A few fence posts also interesting. Both north and southern sides of the ambulance depot Worongary, also worth a check.

"petan"


I've have driven down East Lake St before to check for access to the trail east of the road but it seems like private ground, I didn't check the bit at the end.


We are very curious about the green belt western side of hill along Spencer Rd between Pappas Way and John Francis Drive.

"petan"


I'm pretty sure the line wasn't that close to the hill, check the 1966 map - it has the old highway route in between the line and the hill just before it crosses the line.

  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!

I'm pretty sure the line wasn't that close to the hill, check the 1966 map - it has the old highway route in between the line and the hill just before it crosses the line.
"Laidback"


Thanks for your opinion as we were just curious as it was one of the few remaining bush areas, especially as you surprised us with the earlier Alison Rd one. I did not think to check around Alison Rd yet the cutting was sitting there waiting to be revealed on Railpage.   Smile
The following post is a 1917 map of the area.

  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
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  petan Chief Commissioner

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I
'm pretty sure the line wasn't that close to the hill, check the 1966 map - it has the old highway route in between the line and the hill just before it crosses the line.
"Laidback"



Thanks for your opinion as we were just curious as it was one of the few remaining bush areas, especially as you surprised us with the earlier Alison Rd one. I did not think to check around Alison Rd yet the cutting was sitting there waiting to be revealed on Railpage. Smile
The following post is a 1917 map of the area.
"petan"



Just doubled checked and Hairyleg's plot goes straight through the bush area in question, the green belt western side of hill along Spencer Rd between Pappas Way and John Francis Drive, cutting #4 on WPS. I still think it is worth a check. Hairyleg is usually correct on this route, allowing a few feet either side as shown at the Kirra Cutting and the Currumbin Creek bridge areas.


I wonder if the 1966 map may have been an older highway location and the highway relocated since then? That 1966 map in that area is a little like the 1917 version I also posted.

  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
I would have to say that the highway alignment shown on the 1966 map correlates roughly with Spencer Road, with the rail line being located underneath the current motorway. The road-over-rail bridge may well have been located in the vicinity of Indy Street.
  br30453 Chief Train Controller




I
'm pretty sure the line wasn't that close to the hill, check the 1966 map - it has the old highway route in between the line and the hill just before it crosses the line.
"Laidback"



Thanks for your opinion as we were just curious as it was one of the few remaining bush areas, especially as you surprised us with the earlier Alison Rd one. I did not think to check around Alison Rd yet the cutting was sitting there waiting to be revealed on Railpage. Smile
The following post is a 1917 map of the area.
"petan"



Just doubled checked and Hairyleg's plot goes straight through the bush area in question, the green belt western side of hill along Spencer Rd between Pappas Way and John Francis Drive, cutting #4 on WPS. I still think it is worth a check. Hairyleg is usually correct on this route, allowing a few feet either side as shown at the Kirra Cutting and the Currumbin Creek bridge areas.


I wonder if the 1966 map may have been an older highway location and the highway relocated since then? That 1966 map in that area is a little like the 1917 version I also posted.

"petan"


Peter,

I would not take Hairyleg's plots as being 100% exact as to location on the photomaps.

They are from various sources and are dependent on the scale and accuracy of the original maps.

Then one must allow for slight inaccuracies in tracing from large scale maps and then expanding the plots to real world co-ordinates.

A small error can thus be magnified by the scale of the original map.

In some places the I found the QR North Coast Line plot is about 20 metres from the one in the photomap.

When querying this with the person responsible for the mapping I was told that Google Earth maps are not always correctly georeferenced, which is understandable considering the magnitude of the task.

Please do not take this as criticism of Hairyleg's efforts as I have great admiration for what he has done, but injecting a bit of realism as to the ccuracy of the mapping.



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