Historical questions. AN passenger rail

 
  Southern Aurora Locomotive Driver

Could anybody please tell me the full list of stations (and scheduled times if possible) that were served by the last Australian National Passenger trains to Whyalla, Broken Hill and Mt.Gambier up until 1990?

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  2001 The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.

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I moved your questions into a separate thread so as to gain a better chance of responses

  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide

Not quite sure of the date of these, but they were railcar times.

Whyalla - 392km, 5hr 59m
Mt Gambier - 488km, 7hr 0m

  Seldom_21 Junior Train Controller

Location: South Australia



Not quite sure of the date of these, but they were railcar times.

Whyalla - 392km, 5hr 59m
Mt Gambier - 488km, 7hr 0m

"simont141"


I'm presuming that was done by Bluebirds

  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
...Budd railcars and Bluebirds did the runs to Whyalla and Broken Hill.....with the Blueys performing better on the BHill run than the Budds..... Shocked
  2001 The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.

Clucking bell,

"Whyalla -- 392km, 5hr 59m"

I make that out as an average speed of about 65 Km/h

Did AN schedule a coffeebreak at every township en route ?

  Seldom_21 Junior Train Controller

Location: South Australia
anyone got a rough timetable they could post for a City to Gambier run or is that better provided by NRM
  MichaelBennet Station Master


I've got an AN timetable and fares booklet from October 1986:

Adelaide to Broken Hill (tues, thurs, sat)

Adelaide dep: 10.15 am
Pt Pirie arr: 12.58 pm
Pt Pirie dep: 2.00 pm
Broken Hill: 7.51 pm

Broken Hill to Adelaide (Sun, Tues, Fri)

Broken Hill dep: 9:40 am
Port Pirie arr: 3.32 pm
Port Pirie dep: 4.35 pm
Adelaide arr: 7.25 pm

Adelaide to Mt Gambier (Mon to Fri)

Adelaide dep: 7.55 am
Murray Bridge: 9:47 am
Bordertown: 12.14 pm
Naracoorte: 1.36 pm
Mt Gambier: 3.00 pm

Adelaide to Mt Gambier (Sun & Fri)

Adelaide dep: 4.30 pm
Murray Bridge: 6.09 pm
Bordertown: 8.22 pm
Naracoorte: 9.42 pm
Mt Gambier: 11.05 pm

Mt Gambier to Adelaide (Mon to Fri)

Mt Gambier dep: 8.20 am
Naracoorte : 9.47 am
Bordertown: 11.08 am
Murray Bridge: 1.32 pm
Adelaide : 3.35pm

Mt Gambier to Adelaide (Sun & Fri)

Mt Gambier dep: 4.30 pm
Naracoorte : 5.57 pm
Bordertown: 7.18 pm
Murray Bridge: 9.32 pm
Adelaide : 11.30 pm

Adelaide to Pt Pirie (tues, wed, thurs, sat) - through to Sydney (IP)

Adelaide dep: 10.15 am
Pt Pirie arr: 12.58 am

Adelaide to Pt Pirie (sun, mon, tue, fri) - through to Perth and Alice Springs (IP, the Alice & Trans)

Adelaide dep: 12.40pm
Pt Pirie arr : 3:15 pm

Adelaide to Pt Pirie (sun to fri)

Adelaide dep: 6.00 pm
Pt Pirie arr: 8.50 pm

Port Pirie to Adelaide (mon to sat)

Port Pirie dep: 7.15 am
Adelaide arr: 9.55 am

Port Pirie to Adelaide (tues, wed, thurs, sat) - IP, Trans & the Alice

Port Pirie dep: 2.20 pm
Adelaide arr: 5.15 pm

Port Pirie to Adelaide (sun, mon, tue, fri) - IP from Sydney

Port Pirie dep: 4.35 pm
Adelaide arr: 7.25 pm

At this stage the Indian Pacific did not run via Adelaide, so a separate service ran to Pt Pirie to connect to the services heading east and west, as well as the Alice from Sydney to Alice Springs.

Adelaide to Peterborough (sun, mon, wed, thur, fri)

Adelaide dep: 5.45 pm
Burra: 8.18 pm
Peterborough: 9.25 pm

Peterborough to Adelaide (mon, wed, thurs fri)

Peterborough dep: 6.55 am
Burra: 8.07 am
Adelaide: 10.39 am

Peterborough to Adelaide (sat)

Peterborough: 7.05 am
Burra: 8.18 am
Adelaide: 10.43 am

Not sure why they had the different timetable on saturday.

Fares- Adelaide to:

Peterborough $15
Pt Pirie $14
Broken Hill $30
Mt Gambier$30

The Peterborough service didn't last much after when the timetable was printed unfortunately.

I enjoy looking at old timetables in more favourable times for rail travel.  Funny how it's so different for most of Victoria which is better serviced by rail than it was 40 years ago!  I guess SA hasn't got the large regional centres within easy reach of rail, with Pt Pirie, Pt Augusta and Whyalla as the exception.  The Iron Triangle Limited wasn't on the timetable

Cheers,

Michael

  Southern Aurora Locomotive Driver

Awesome respones!! Thanks for your all your input and help.. BTW would there have been intermediate stops for those trains, perhaps on an "as required" basis or were those main stations the only ones served towards the end?
  wat700 Junior Train Controller

Location: Richmond, NSW



Awesome respones!! Thanks for your all your input and help.. BTW would there have been intermediate stops for those trains, perhaps on an "as required" basis or were those main stations the only ones served towards the end?

"Southern Aurora"


By memory (and I was only 8 at the time in 1989) the Mount Gambier train stopped at the following locations - Murray Bridge, Tailem Bend, Coonalpyn, Tintanara, Keith, Bordertown, Naracoorte and Penola. I'm certain there were others but that's all I can remember.

The two services crossed each other at Keith on the day I was onboard and there was an unscheduled stop between Murray Bridge and Tailem Bend due to some sort of mechanical issue. On the plus side the staff noticed me peering through the window to the driver's compartment and allowed me to ride up front with the driver from Bordertown all the way to Mt Gambier! My little legs were killing by the end of it but no way was I going to give up my prime spot to sit down!

  steam4ian Chief Commissioner






Awesome respones!! Thanks for your all your input and help.. BTW would there have been intermediate stops for those trains, perhaps on an "as required" basis or were those main stations the only ones served towards the end?

"Southern Aurora"


By memory (and I was only 8 at the time in 1989) the Mount Gambier train stopped at the following locations - Murray Bridge, Tailem Bend, Coonalpyn, Tintanara, Keith, Bordertown, Naracoorte and Penola. I'm certain there were others but that's all I can remember.

The two services crossed each other at Keith on the day I was onboard and there was an unscheduled stop between Murray Bridge and Tailem Bend due to some sort of mechanical issue. On the plus side the staff noticed me peering through the window to the driver's compartment and allowed me to ride up front with the driver from Bordertown all the way to Mt Gambier! My little legs were killing by the end of it but no way was I going to give up my prime spot to sit down!

"wat700"


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Those were the days!  Happy memories.

  GN4472 Deputy Commissioner




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By memory (and I was only 8 at the time in 1989) the Mount Gambier train stopped at the following locations - Murray Bridge, Tailem Bend, Coonalpyn, Tintanara, Keith, Bordertown, Naracoorte and Penola. I'm certain there were others but that's all I can remember.

The two services crossed each other at Keith on the day I was onboard and there was an unscheduled stop between Murray Bridge and Tailem Bend due to some sort of mechanical issue. On the plus side the staff noticed me peering through the window to the driver's compartment and allowed me to ride up front with the driver from Bordertown all the way to Mt Gambier! My little legs were killing by the end of it but no way was I going to give up my prime spot to sit down!

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I did that a few times too!

My trademark was unfolding the driver's seat, opening the top of the door and waving a can of Southwark Bitter (Green Death!) out of the door as we were overtaking the road traffic on the Dukes Highway! I could see the speedo and we were doing 120kph!

  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide



Clucking bell,

"Whyalla -- 392km, 5hr 59m"

I make that out as an average speed of about 65 Km/h

Did AN schedule a coffeebreak at every township en route ?

"2001"


I shall try that again. From the 1974 timetable:

Sunday PM dep Whyalla 1450, arr Adelaide 2133, 6hr 43min
Weekdays AM dep Whyalla 1050, arr Adelaide 1700, 6hr 10min
Friday PM dep Whyalla 1550, arr Adelaide 2231, 6hr 41min
Friday PM dep Whyalla 2350, arr Adelaide 0640 (Sat), 6hr 50min
Saturday AM dep Whyalla 1040, arr Adelaide 1700, 6hr 20min

Each journey included a stop at Pt Augusta between 5 and 20 minutes, and Pt Pirie for between 10 and 30 minutes.

  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia



Awesome respones!! Thanks for your all your input and help.. BTW would there have been intermediate stops for those trains, perhaps on an "as required" basis or were those main stations the only ones served towards the end?

"Southern Aurora"


In addition to those stops previously mentioned, don't forget every where the electric staff  was changed was also a booked stop for passengers such as Bangham, Frances, Hynam, Glenroy, Kalangadoo and Wandillo.



There were provisional stops as I recall at Kybybolite and a couple of others?



  MichaelBennet Station Master


Close!  The stops on the Mt Gambier service were:
Bridgewater (pick up only), Murray Bridge, Tailem Bend, Coonalpyn, Tintinara, Keith, Bordertown, Wolsley, Hynam, Naracoorte, Penola, Kalangadoo and Mt Gambier.

The Pirie trains stopped at:
Two Wells, Mallala, Long Plains, Bowmans, Nantawarra, Snowtown, Redhill, Crystal Brook and Pt Pirie.  Only the Sun to Fri trains stopped at the intermediate stations, all the others went straight through.

The Peterborough bluebird was timetabled to stop at:
Gawler, Roseworthy, Wasleys, Hamley Bridge, Riverton, Burra and then Peterborough.  I'm sure it stopped at the intermediate stations of Tarlee, Saddleworth, Manoora, Farrell Flat, Mt Bryan, Hallett, Whyte Yarcowie and Terowie.  I remember my Mum catching the bluebird to Adelaide out of Whyte Yarcowie in the mid 1980's so I reckon it would be safe to say it would stop to pick up passengers at the intermediate stations.





"GN4472"


By memory (and I was only 8 at the time in 1989) the Mount Gambier train stopped at the following locations - Murray Bridge, Tailem Bend, Coonalpyn, Tintanara, Keith, Bordertown, Naracoorte and Penola. I'm certain there were others but that's all I can remember.

The two services crossed each other at Keith on the day I was onboard and there was an unscheduled stop between Murray Bridge and Tailem Bend due to some sort of mechanical issue. On the plus side the staff noticed me peering through the window to the driver's compartment and allowed me to ride up front with the driver from Bordertown all the way to Mt Gambier! My little legs were killing by the end of it but no way was I going to give up my prime spot to sit down!

[/quote]

I did that a few times too!

My trademark was unfolding the driver's seat, opening the top of the door and waving a can of Southwark Bitter (Green Death!) out of the door as we were overtaking the road traffic on the Dukes Highway! I could see the speedo and we were doing 120kph!

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  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
From memory I recall that AN made all wayside stops "if required" in the early 80's, trains would only then stop if there was passengers booked for the service, all the timetables where accelerated at the same time.
  Seldom_21 Junior Train Controller

Location: South Australia
I think I've asked this question before on a different thread but can these types of timetables be purchased at NRM?

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