Opal Card Roll-out

 
  BeauGiles Beginner




You mean Opal? I don't have much doubt that there will be no change to current interchange penalties, but still hold a slender hope that sense will prevail.


We should know sometime next quarter, when the Manly ferry goes live.
"simonl"



So basically, we still think the same thing we thought last year.

We'll see if it allows Manly to Neutral Bay ferry interchange, actually, as Sydney Ferries also penalises for connections at Circular Quay (which my friends discovered on a Darling Harbour to Manly trip, to great consternation and vexation).

"Watson374"


Funny you should mention that... Wink
Travelling from Manly to Neutral Bay via Ferry with Opal will cost $7; saving $6 off the paper ticket price of $13

http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/opal/fare-information

Sponsored advertisement

  BeauGiles Beginner

Opal trial is expanding to Manly next month (April 8th).

Marketing material already put together and available - brochure available at Circular Quay (and Manly Wharf) - http://dump.beaugil.es/opal/OpalManly.pdf



There's also new signage at Circular Quay telling people to ring 13OPAL and get their Opal cards now.



TfNSW media release is available at http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/media-releases/opal-card-trial-expands-manly
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
Interesting - just noticed this on the Opal website:

"Trip, journey and transfer explained

A trip is travel on one route, one mode. When you transfer to another route or service, you are commencing a new trip.


A journey consists of one or more trips on eligible services where transfers between services occur within 60 minutes*.


A transfer occurs at the end of a single trip. It is a change of transport mode or route, to another service or route, to continue a journey. Transfers made within a standard transfer time of 60 minutes* combine trips into a single journey.


*60 minutes applies to all services except the Manly ferry service where the standard transfer time is 130 minutes from tap on."

(emphasis mine)

So it appears that the Opal system might be being configured in such a way as to recognise a journey as a total transaction, bring multi-service ticketing to Sydney for the first time.

Dave
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
So it appears that the Opal system might be being configured in such a way as to recognise a journey as a total transaction, bring multi-service ticketing to Sydney for the first time.
thadocta


Excellent. It is all going according to plan.
  Kamz Assistant Commissioner



So it appears that the Opal system might be being configured in such a way as to recognise a journey as a total transaction, bring multi-service ticketing to Sydney for the first time.

Dave
thadocta
Isn't this the whole point of Opal and integrated ticketing?

Anyway, good news.
  abesty1 Chief Commissioner

Location: The CityRail Network
Cheaper to stay on MyMulti paper weekly than use Opal for Manly ferry users:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ-vdZY71SE&feature=youtu.be
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
There were a couple of interesting new pole-like features on the bus this afternoon (Busways running out of Campbelltown). One located sort of behind the main door (left side if looking out the front) and one just behind the normal ticket machine. Bulbous head on it, but no identifying logos visible. Possible future opal readers? First I've seen on the buses out here and probably a sign they're likely to start trialing it on the bus system soon?
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
There were a couple of interesting new pole-like features on the bus this afternoon (Busways running out of Campbelltown). One located sort of behind the main door (left side if looking out the front) and one just behind the normal ticket machine. Bulbous head on it, but no identifying logos visible. Possible future opal readers? First I've seen on the buses out here and probably a sign they're likely to start trialing it on the bus system soon?
jcouch
Did it look like this?

  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
Sot of - more "designed" looking. One big moulded piece of plastic with the larger head on the top of the pole. Short one, maybe 20cm high on the dash at the front of the bus and the other was about 1.2m off the floor height in the bus.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Sot of - more "designed" looking. One big moulded piece of plastic with the larger head on the top of the pole. Short one, maybe 20cm high on the dash at the front of the bus and the other was about 1.2m off the floor height in the bus.
jcouch
That's almost certainly a reader-in-waiting.
  liron Junior Train Controller

Interesting - just noticed this on the Opal website:


*60 minutes applies to all services except the Manly ferry service where the standard transfer time is 130 minutes from tap on."
thadocta
Shouldn't that be from tap off, i.e. you tap off, you have 60 minutes (or 130 minutes) to tap onto the next service.

Also, this definition implies that if you change trains, it is a separate trip.  But often you can change trains without going through a ticket gate.  Many other systems, e.g. GoCard and Myki, consider all consecutive train travel to be one trip.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Shouldn't that be from tap off, i.e. you tap off, you have 60 minutes (or 130 minutes) to tap onto the next service.
liron


I suspect they've set it up to accept touch-in-only exceptions (which is ridiculous).

Also, this definition implies that if you change trains, it is a separate trip.  But often you can change trains without going through a ticket gate.  Many other systems, e.g. GoCard and Myki, consider all consecutive train travel to be one trip.
liron


Yeah. If it's all within the CityRail system anyhow, it's not a problem - just like it's not a problem now.
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
Isn't this the whole point of Opal and integrated ticketing?
Kamz
There has never been any announcement about it either way, this is the first I have seen of it. And there are no details as to how the fare is to be calculated and other factors.

For example, I arrive at Central (i) on a bus just as a train to Lithgow (my destination) is leaving. I have just under two hours before the next service. Since I have a longer connection than the system provides for - with no alternative - this will count as two journeys.

And other matters.....

Dave
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
thadocta, would you take another journey in between?
  bambul Station Master

Location: Sydney
There has never been any announcement about it either way, this is the first I have seen of it. And there are no details as to how the fare is to be calculated and other factors.

For example, I arrive at Central (i) on a bus just as a train to Lithgow (my destination) is leaving. I have just under two hours before the next service. Since I have a longer connection than the system provides for - with no alternative - this will count as two journeys.

And other matters.....

Dave
thadocta
Longer journeys are generally allowed a longer time period in other cities that have integrated fares. I would be surprised if this didn't also apply in Sydney, but the trial hasn't even gone multi-modal yet, let alone long distance. Also, as currently designed all you need to do is tap on and enter the gated area of the station within 60 minutes of tapping off your bus, which you can do (and even take a 45 minute leisurely stroll or coffee break inbetween).

And there's no guarantee the final fare system will even be integrated, let alone how the trial currently has tried to implement it. So it's all speculation on everyone's part until then anyway.
  bjwh86 Chief Train Controller

The Opal system will have a daily cap of $15 for full fare.
Sundays will be capped at $2.50 for all passengers.
Weekly "reward" of free travel after 8 paid journeys.
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
The Opal system will have a daily cap of $15 for full fare.
Sundays will be capped at $2.50 for all passengers.
Weekly "reward" of free travel after 8 paid journeys.
bjwh86
And your point is? That has been known for a while, and is not new.

Dave
  Faceless Locomotive Fireman

Location:
Its probably already been said. "Don't tag on and Don't tag off" I will be glad to see the end of tickets sold at newsagents and 7 Eleven.
In conclusion nothing will change in regards to fare evasion. Ppl will still double up or use the wide gate. Let alone travel between two un gated stations. I guess the days of doing paper customer service surveys for census purposes will end. As the gov will know exactly where you been traveling to and from. Im waiting for criminals to come undone in court and the technology to be used against them. But we all know criminals don't buy tickets or will use the Opal card.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
It becomes easier to track, though. I've said this before, but I'll say it again: no longer will ticket checks be complicated affairs involving scrutiny, handbooks and other unpleasant dispute; it will be a simple boolean test of whether or not the passenger is in possession of a validated Opal card, and this simplification is crucial.
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
Starting to see readers that look like the earlier posted pics now showing up on Busways buses out in Campbelltown. Over the last week, it seems now about every second bus has them, from nothing a couple of weeks ago. Must be close to doing a trial if they're installing them now and not say 12 months from now.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Starting to see readers that look like the earlier posted pics now showing up on Busways buses out in Campbelltown. Over the last week, it seems now about every second bus has them, from nothing a couple of weeks ago. Must be close to doing a trial if they're installing them now and not say 12 months from now.
"jcouch"

She wants the trains done first, though.

I always thought that buses were actually the logical place to start, except that that's what Tcard did, and that's obviously not allowable.
  abesty1 Chief Commissioner

Location: The CityRail Network
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-public-transport-gets-easier-with-rollout-of-e-ticket/story-e6freuy9-1226635611782

Sydney public transport gets easier with rollout of e-ticket

CITYRAIL passengers could be using the new Opal Card within two months.

Stations on the Eastern Suburbs Line and City Circle will be the first to get the new technology, with installation of the new electronic system's first readers at Town Hall last week.

The readers will be tested over the coming months before the system goes live with the first passengers to use the cards by July or August at the latest.

"It's like having an e-tag in your pocket and you'll never have to buy a ticket again," said Transport Minister Gladys Berejiklian.

Only those passengers whose journey starts and ends at a station with opal readers will be able to use the new ticketing system.

The technology will be progressively rolled out to the remaining 297 stations across the network over the following 18 months.

Pricing for train journeys has yet to be finalised, although one-way trips are expected to be slightly cheaper on the Opal card than paper tickets.
  mboi84 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-public-transport-gets-easier-with-rollout-of-e-ticket/story-e6freuy9-1226635611782
abesty1

I have to say that this is a crock of crap. The readers have been installed for the last two weeks or so and I should know, I have tweeted my dis-taste for them as it seems that Gladys and her minions in TfNSW are installing the readers which can't be used by people with disabilities who cannot use their hands properly. I mean Melbourne are now looking to see how they can reduce the size of their readers to make them more accessible - http://www.theage.com.au/national/new-scanners-out-of-reach-of-many-disabled-travellers-20091003-ghbr.html

The readers at town hall are in "trial/testing" phase and I have a picture to prove it -
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
Readers appeared in Museum over the weekend.
  AvonLink Train Controller

Location: Kingsgrove NSW
So reading from this section of the forum has it been announced in regards to Opal Fare Structure as of yet?
The reason I am asking is because if they want to get people off the paper ticketing with incientives and benefits of opal,as well roll the system out on Rail/ Bus as a trial phase only before going 'live' to the general public.

Sponsored advertisement

Subscribers: jpd, maestro, witsend, wurx

Display from:   

Quick Reply

We've disabled Quick Reply for this thread as it was last updated more than six months ago.