Echuca only one service a day! Why?

 
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
There used to be a crossing loop at Rochester once, I am unsure about its present condition but the re-instation of a loop would not be a great expense compared with all else done on this line.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
What time does the Deniliquin Rice train usually travel between Bendigo and Echuca?
Also am I right in thinking that only one train is allowed on the whole line from Bendigo to Echuca at any one time?
"Gman_86"


I recall a loop at Rochester.  Not certain if this is still operational.
  grime Locomotive Fireman

Last week when I was in Melbourne, I was considering catching a train to Echuca and jumping onto a paddle steamer and then catching a train back to Melbourne. I thought it would make a good day trip. As it turns out, it was not practical to that. I would have to either catch a bus back which I didn't feel like doing or catch the evening train back and get into Melbourne quite late. In the end I just drove the hire car instead.
1978Prime
It is possible to ride a Vlocity from Melbourne to Echuca via Bendigo,spend a few hours in Echuca, hop on a Vline bus at Echuca to Murchison East via Kyabram and join the up Shepperton passenger train back to Melbourne via Seymour.All in all a really good round trip.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

It is possible to ride a Vlocity from Melbourne to Echuca via Bendigo,spend a few hours in Echuca, hop on a Vline bus at Echuca to Murchison East via Kyabram and join the up Shepperton passenger train back to Melbourne via Seymour.All in all a really good round trip.
"grime"

The timetable indicates this can only be done on a Saturday or Sunday - and on those days there are two trains a day to and from Echuca anyway. Personally I would rather travel all the way by Vlocity than by a bus and a (presumably) N-set.
  grime Locomotive Fireman

The one service a day is caused by lack of demand, which is caused by lack of train services, which is caused by lack of demand . . . . Crying or Very sad
Valvegear
I don't believe lack of demand has anything to do with it, in fact the service is generally very well patronised.
More drivers and more rolling stock is needed.
“An important consideration of the timetable was that it accommodated the Bendigo commuter market, with the outbound service arriving in Bendigo before 9am to benefit workers, as well as the many students attending LaTrobe University and Bendigo TAFE.” So there is certainly still room for improvement.
Perhaps the real problem is the sucess of the whole Vline service...It's too sucessful and the politicans can't to keep up with the demand.
  grime Locomotive Fireman

The timetable indicates this can only be done on a Saturday or Sunday - and on those days there are two trains a day to and from Echuca anyway. Personally I would rather travel all the way by Vlocity than by a bus and a (presumably) N-set.
duttonbay
Did the original poster state what day of the week he wished to travel? I merely stated it was possible to do a round trip.
Round trips on the VR are very much part of the heritage of the VR
Many a rail fan of yester year(and today)took/take advantage of different modes of transport either hiking,bus,or even hitch-hiking to cross country and the railways even once sold Hikers tickets to accomodate this popular past-time.
Another you could look up and try (if the bus is not too daunting and the N set too whatever) is Southern Cross to Ararat via Vlocity,coach to Warrnambool with a night there and home to Southern Cross via Geelong.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Grime - I've also caught the V/Locity to Ararat and the Overland home an hour later.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Did the original poster state what day of the week he wished to travel? I merely stated it was possible to do a round trip.
Round trips on the VR are very much part of the heritage of the VR
Many a rail fan of yester year(and today)took/take advantage of different modes of transport either hiking,bus,or even hitch-hiking to cross country and the railways even once sold Hikers tickets to accomodate this popular past-time.
Another you could look up and try (if the bus is not too daunting and the N set too whatever) is Southern Cross to Ararat via Vlocity,coach to Warrnambool with a night there and home to Southern Cross via Geelong.
"grime"


The thread title is "Echuca only one service a day! Why?" which suggests the OP wasn't talking about days when there are two trains a day.  And yes, I've done numerous round trips on the VR back in the days when you do such a thing. They were good fun, but I tried to avoid buses - which was pretty easy back in the 1960s.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The one service a day is caused by lack of demand, which is caused by lack of train services, which is caused by lack of demand . . . . http://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif
Valvegear


I don't believe lack of demand has anything to do with it, in fact the service is generally very well patronised.
Grime



I did wonder whether a touch of irony would be wasted.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
More than enough time in Ararat!
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
Echuca is a great place for mostly bus connections to almost anywhere in Australia.  The daily Countrylink service departing just after 07.00 is a good way of going northeast via Deniliquin. If a daily evening train from Echuca was introduced, it could leave about 7.30 pm after the arrival of the Countrylink bus. This should be able to reach Melbourne by 10.30 pm, well before suburban trains stop running. It could return to Echuca as a fairly early morning service, ideal for day trips from Melbourne and also connect with numerous buses radiating from Echuca.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
Many years back I went bushwalking to Mt Feathertop...got to Bright via a goods train ex Wangaratta and went back on a return train a week later. It was a bit difficult convincing the station officer at Wang that we wanted to go by train, rather than the bus "much faster", but we eventually signed the safety waiver and got tickets. Can't do that now.


Did the original poster state what day of the week he wished to travel? I merely stated it was possible to do a round trip.
Round trips on the VR are very much part of the heritage of the VR
Many a rail fan of yester year(and today)took/take advantage of different modes of transport either hiking,bus,or even hitch-hiking to cross country and the railways even once sold Hikers tickets to accomodate this popular past-time.
Another you could look up and try (if the bus is not too daunting and the N set too whatever) is Southern Cross to Ararat via Vlocity,coach to Warrnambool with a night there and home to Southern Cross via Geelong.
"grime"
  1978Prime Junior Train Controller

Location: Perth
Did the original poster state what day of the week he wished to travel? I merely stated it was possible to do a round trip.
Round trips on the VR are very much part of the heritage of the VR
Many a rail fan of yester year(and today)took/take advantage of different modes of transport either hiking,bus,or even hitch-hiking to cross country and the railways even once sold Hikers tickets to accomodate this popular past-time.
Another you could look up and try (if the bus is not too daunting and the N set too whatever) is Southern Cross to Ararat via Vlocity,coach to Warrnambool with a night there and home to Southern Cross via Geelong.
grime
I was aware that Saturday was the best day to do it without messing around with bus changes and did consider that option, but midweek was my preferred time considering I was trying to fit a lot in and ended up having other plans on the Saturday. Catching bus was a bit of a put off, especially when it looks complicated on an unfamiliar timetable with unfamiliar towns written on it, with various  options available. At least it seems that way at short notice due to last minute change of plans.  The idea of catching a train the whole way there and back on the same day seems a lot easier and more attractive, but not having that option available made it seem more hassle than its worth.  I though it seemed odd having not many train services considering that town is rather touristy.And besides, I was looking for an excuse to catch a V line or Countrylink train, not a coach.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
I though it seemed odd having not many train services...
1978Prime
Didn't you know that Victoria went from 31/12/1999 to 1/1/1900 instead of 2000 like the rest of the world? We're in 1913 now, so it's only fitting that there's one service to Echuca every day. Laughing
  Sammy D Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
I bet if you find a 1913 timetable there would be more than 1 train to Echuca
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

There were two each way from Bendigo in 1928, plus two each way from Toolamba, all four connecting from Melbourne.  By 1967 the service from Bendigo had been cut back to one daily, and one three times a week, but there was still two daily trains from Toolamba. It would be an interesting exercise to see which Victorian station has lost the most passenger train services in the last 50 years...
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
It would be an interesting exercise to see which Victorian station has lost the most passenger train services in the last 50 years...
"duttonbay"


That is, apart from SCS /Spencer Street.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
I bet if you find a 1913 timetable there would be more than 1 train to Echuca
Sammy D

But not as many buses.
  jordo73 Beginner

Location: Melbourne
As an occasional user of the train to Echuca, I can tell you that there are loops at both Elmore and Rochester (as well as Goornong) but these seem to serve the grain silos and are probably sidings rather than loops.  So probably not operational, I assume they would need to be modified for the passing of trains.  Not sure if the sidings have been used for the loading of grain for a few years either, certainly Elmore grain storage is still in operation but seems to be serviced by trucks rather than any grain trains.
The once a day weekday passenger service is very well patronised and from experience regularly has 40+ passenger loads after Bendigo on the down, most disembarking at Echuca.  Also has healthy loads on the weekend runs both up and down when there's 2 trains per day.
There is certainly room for the service to be increased to two trains per day, the patronage is there.  However the line speed needs to be upgraded to 100km/h or more and the level crossings finished to take out the painfully slow 75km/h Bendigo-Echuca section!
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
As an occasional user of the train to Echuca, I can tell you that there are loops at both Elmore and Rochester (as well as Goornong) but these seem to serve the grain silos and are probably sidings rather than loops.  So probably not operational, I assume they would need to be modified for the passing of trains.  Not sure if the sidings have been used for the loading of grain for a few years either, certainly Elmore grain storage is still in operation but seems to be serviced by trucks rather than any grain trains.
The once a day weekday passenger service is very well patronised and from experience regularly has 40+ passenger loads after Bendigo on the down, most disembarking at Echuca.  Also has healthy loads on the weekend runs both up and down when there's 2 trains per day.
There is certainly room for the service to be increased to two trains per day, the patronage is there.  However the line speed needs to be upgraded to 100km/h or more and the level crossings finished to take out the painfully slow 75km/h Bendigo-Echuca section!
jordo73

G529 and XR551 picked up from Elmore last night on 9044. Not sure how many wagons, but the usual rake is 20 at Elmore and 20 at Deniliquin
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
There are, from memory, about five services to Echuca per day.  Just only one satisfies irrational gunzel desires - four require the shameful use of a bus.

Stop whinging.  The service provided, either via Heathcote, Murchison East, or Bendigo is sufficient.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

State budget has $9 million allocated to building a station at Epsom which will become operational by 2015.

Interesting too that Toolamba-Echuca line fix won't be complete until mid-2014...

http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/1484204/epsom-to-receive-a-railway-station-in-2015/?cs=12

So it looks like Deni freight will continue to use Bendigo-Echuca line for another 12 months.  Hopefully some more Echuca services after then, including a stop at Epsom after 2015.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
It would be an interesting exercise to see which Victorian station has lost the most passenger train services in the last 50 years...
"duttonbay"

Nyora, Lang Lang, Koo Wee Rup, Tooradin & Clyde had an abudance of rail services up untill the late 70's (1977 ~1981)
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Nyora, Lang Lang, Koo Wee Rup, Tooradin & Clyde had an abudance of rail services up untill the late 70's (1977 ~1981)
"Nightfire"

In 1975 it was three trains a day in each direction.  (Nyora of course had an extra two trains each way to and from Wonthaggi)

No idea what the situation was in the 77-81 era.

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