South Coast Line steam era Southport Tweed Heads

 
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
^ I'll add to that, if you do find some errors in his mapping then it is a good idea to email or PM him and bring it to his notice. He's always improving the data as new information comes to light.

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  petan Chief Commissioner

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Thanks for the advice re Spencer Rd  Smile  We managed a few more trips to different libraries etc  recently and the 1917 map is part of the goodies.  


Also extremely pleased to see some Railpage locals checking around Nerang and Coombabah and adding their results to this thread as their discoveries have certainly widened my knowledge of what relics are still out there  SmileVery Happy
  Laidback Station Master


Petan, I overlaid a section of the 1966 map onto Google maps. I know the dotted rail line isn't exact but some of the other roads line up nicely. Also the working plans correspond more with this route don't you think?

http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s539/laidback123/nerangsouth_zps64485fc4.jpg

The area you're talking about would be under the word PACIFIC.



  petan Chief Commissioner

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Petan, I overlaid a section of the 1966 map onto Google maps. I know the dotted rail line isn't exact but some of the other roads line up nicely. Also the working plans correspond more with this route don't you think? http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s539/laidback123/nerangsouth_zps64485fc4.jpg The area you're talking about would be under the word PACIFIC.
"Laidback"



That is an eye-opener and thanks for sharing as well as thanks for thinking of that map matching trick in the first place   Smile
  Laidback Station Master




Petan, I overlaid a section of the 1966 map onto Google maps. I know the dotted rail line isn't exact but some of the other roads line up nicely. Also the working plans correspond more with this route don't you think? http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s539/laidback123/nerangsouth_zps64485fc4.jpg The area you're talking about would be under the word PACIFIC.
"Laidback"



That is an eye-opener and thanks for sharing as well as thanks for thinking of that map matching trick in the first place Smile
"petan"


I couldn't have done it without your map uploads Wink
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
Great work on the overlay.
  petan Chief Commissioner

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Tweed Heads station plan 1927. This is a test to see if this sort of link allows downloads in different web browsers such as Microsoft IE, Google Chrome etc
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwTXRQeG15S1NHSVU/edit  [3.5 MB in size]
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

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That's a really good station plan, thank you petan.
  petan Chief Commissioner

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A year or so ago I posted the earlier material. Now I am adding my picture of one of the concrete bases with wooden pylon remains.



So far I am non the wiser about the metallic item in my earlier post as that metallic item may not even be railway related?

Found this on the south bank of the Albert River Yatala on the route of the steam era line. Just west of the present day rail bridge amongst the trees on bank. Not sure  
petan
  Laidback Station Master




That's a really good station plan, thank you petan.

"GeoffreyHansen"


What he said.

Do you have plans for all the stations?

  petan Chief Commissioner

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That's a really good station plan, thank you petan.
"GeoffreyHansen"



What he said. Do you have plans for all the stations?
"Laidback"



No and only have roughly worked out many from pictures and clues on the working plans.

  petan Chief Commissioner

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Did anyone spot the border location for the customs officer western end of Bay Street? Remember that is a 1927 plan not colonial era.....

It also reveals the station master's house floor plan including the separate kitchen as was the custom of that era as well as the outside loo down near the western fence.  

Also revealed in that 1927 plan is the school master's house. In the 1890s the Tweed Heads Public school was located south of Bay St on part of the future railway site. When the railway was opened in 1903, the school was left with 0.75 of an acre around the school buildings on the uphill side and 0.5 acre on the other side of the rail line. By 1909 the school was moved to its present site in Stuart St which included the former Marine Pilot Station site. [Gold Coaster/Daily News July 26 1987 “Tweed Heads Centenary souvenir issue”.P.24]


  petan Chief Commissioner

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  petan Chief Commissioner

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A year or so ago I posted the earlier material. Now I am adding my picture of one of the concrete bases with wooden pylon remains.


"petan"



Something for those who holiday on the Gold Coast....

There is the relic of a metallic bridge pylon from the steam era rail bridge in the southern bank of the Albert River. Just line up all those old concrete bases with the southern bank of the Albert River and look over the edge of the bank. Don't fall in.....Embarassed


There are a couple of picnic tables in that picnic area Smile


  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

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Mr William Pagan, [Acting] Chief Engineer [Civil] QR at that time


http://www.anbg.gov.au/biography/pagan-william.html proposed in 1901 a site for the QR Tweed Heads Station plus a never acted upon proposal to link the QR Tweed Heads Railway Station to the Tweed Heads main river shipping wharf.


The blueprint portion with the proposed wharf line is



This wharf was located north of the present Tweed Public Hospital. This river wharf already had a rail connection, gauge unknown, to the Point Danger quarry which supplied material for the river training walls. The quarry line is marked on the working plan and section https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwN1JfUFRCTDh2b1U/edit


Pagan’s letter [QLD State archives A/8937] does not mention the wharf line gauge and is dated 3 December 1901. Since we are not sure of the gauge of the wharf line from either the quarry or the QGR station, we can not be sure if the proposed QR operation was meant to be a light tramway or not.

The Tweed Heads Public school is shown on this blueprint in its pre-railway location as mentioned in an earlier post.

"petan"


I've seen a railway photo at Tweed Heads which shows a track near the water which doesn't seem to agree with maps I've seen of the line. Could this image be of the quarry line or did the South Coast line run closer to water at some stage?

  petan Chief Commissioner

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I've seen a railway photo at Tweed Heads which shows a track near the water which doesn't seem to agree with maps I've seen of the line. Could this image be of the quarry line or did the South Coast line run closer to water at some stage?
"GeoffreyHansen"


Lots of images around of the NSW quarry line along Wharf Street Tweed Heads. Check the Working Plan and Section URL above for its path. QGR never ran along Wharf Street and only into the Enid Street station yard from the Bay Street level crossing. I have seen some claims otherwise by mis-informed people not aware of the quarry line and who jump to the wrong conclusion.

A quick google will probably show the quarry line along Wharf Street. The quarry line data is also at
http://www.tweed.nsw.gov.au/PlanDevBuild/pdfs/Tweed_Thematic_History_2004.pdf


  petan Chief Commissioner

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Hi Geoffrey,

I recall you were one of the very few people to whom I emailed a personal copy of the Tweed Working Plan and section, clearly showing the quarry line along Wharf St, a couple of years ago so it may still be on your computer. Any amendments on the WPS stand out.

I've seen a railway photo at Tweed Heads which shows a track near the water which doesn't seem to agree with maps I've seen of the line. Could this image be of the quarry line or did the South Coast line run closer to water at some stage?
"GeoffreyHansen"



Lots of images around of the NSW quarry line along Wharf Street Tweed Heads. Check the Working Plan and Section URL above for its path. QGR never ran along Wharf Street and only into the Enid Street station yard from the Bay Street level crossing. I have seen some claims otherwise by mis-informed people not aware of the quarry line and who jump to the wrong conclusion.

A quick google will probably show the quarry line along Wharf Street. The quarry line data is also at
http://www.tweed.nsw.gov.au/PlanDevBuild/pdfs/Tweed_Thematic_History_2004.pdf


"petan"


  petan Chief Commissioner

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I once placed on the web Brisbane 1955 road maps 150 mile from Brisbane. At that stage they were done on an A4 scanner and so in small sections with some bits missing. Now redone on an A3 scanner so all included.


North and West https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwTHhtTjVDV1locVE/edit

South and West https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwdkk5T1ZwTW5sVXM/edit
  petan Chief Commissioner

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  Laidback Station Master

I think these pictures are part of the southern end of the old Pimpama Station...

Pimpama Station - http://www.panoramio.com/photo/89446695

5'x2' Box Drain as per Working Plan S6 - http://www.panoramio.com/photo/89446653
  petan Chief Commissioner

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Following colour topographical map is now available for free download. The survey date is 1930.

It covers Surfers Paradise to Tugun on the coast and west to Canungra and approx Beaudesert. Includes Lahey's Canungra Tramway as well as the Neranwood sawmill tramway. Lahey’s tramway is missing sections. Harper Wharf is marked at Broadbeach as a jetty. Also shows Meyers Vehicular Ferry across the Nerang River to Cavill Ave as well as the Carrara Vehicular Ferry between Benowa and Carrara. Also shows the QGR South Coast railway.

The direct Nerang Worongary road is shown as a stock route although, as you know, the present day M1 Pacific Motorway follows a vaguely similar route. In that era the Nerang Worongary road is shown as going via Merrimac and Carrara.  

Two sizes are available according to your need.

30 MB https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwdWJYSkwtR21TZXc/edit

6 MB https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwTkNMX3BXTFhNZFE/edit

With thanks to John Oxley Library, Record: 696803 and link to this item in the JOL website catalogue http://hdl.handle.net/10462/comp/1344
  petan Chief Commissioner

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The historical outdated material I provide is the result of private research and does not reflect the current operational activities of Queensland Rail [QR] or Aurizon or any other present day transport operator. We also have no connection or relationship with any transport operator.

Peter Cokley
  petan Chief Commissioner

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The following are some notes and primary data including QR internal memos and bridge plans regarding the QR railway bridges over Currumbin Creek and Tallebudgera Creek for the long closed South Coast Railway to Tweed Heads and Coolangatta.  Some have been previously posted but this also includes recently sourced material.

We wish to thank QR for permission to use historical railway documents sourced from Queensland State Archives and elsewhere including plans and timetables. This out-dated material does not reflect the current operational activities of Queensland Rail [QR] or Aurizon or any other present day commercial railway operator. We have no connection with QR.  

The Tallebudgera Creek and Currumbin Creek Railway Bridges were constructed sufficiently strong enough to carry the heaviest NSW rolling stock of that time. The following URL refers to this. Memo [02.4423.Ner.Ex] to the Commissioner for Railways from Mr William Pagan, [Acting] Chief Engineer [Civil] QR at that time [22 March 1902] regarding the building of the Currumbin Creek and Tallebudgera creek railway bridges. Queensland State Archives Item ID299671, Batch file, railway A/8937 for 1901 -1904

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvweTFnYllwMlItb1U/edit

Currumbin and Tallebudgera Creek Rail Bridge plans [2.8 MB]  https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwbURXS1ItSDhHNFU/edit    

Tallebudgera Creek Cylinder piers https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwR3FXR2JmZjFNWEU/edit  

The parts marked on the plans as CI are cast iron eg CI cylinders for sinking and WI is wrought iron. In that era cast iron would have been used for those components that had to be cast and were not subject to tension. Any metallic item not labelled as Cast or Wrought Iron would be steel.

The Tallebudgera Creek railway bridge was demolished by the mid-1990s to make way for the new southbound Pacific Motorway Bridge over Tallebudgera Creek. The actual position of the long gone railway bridge would have been under the southbound lanes and approach on ramp of the present day Pacific Motorway Bridge.  1991 photo before demolition http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/All%20Coolangatta%20Tweed%20Line%20images/WestBurleighrailbridge1991.jpg

The Currumbin Creek former railway bridge is now a public pathway. 2011 image http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/All%20Coolangatta%20Tweed%20Line%20images/Currumbin-rail-bridge-2011-_zps3d6d7ea0.jpg

1960 Street map http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/All%20Coolangatta%20Tweed%20Line%20images/Currumbin.jpg

Currumbin Creek Railway bridge pier markings for the middle pier of row 15.  http://s311.photobucket.com/user/petanoz/media/All%20Coolangatta%20Tweed%20Line%20images/CurrumbinRailBridgePier-15M_zps44605bd5.jpg.html?sort=3&o=41

Currumbin Creek Railway bridge steel work markings http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/All%20Coolangatta%20Tweed%20Line%20images/Earl-Of-Dudley-brandingCurrumbinRailBridge_zps5d0ccf19.jpg

Currumbin Creek Railway bridge tender data http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/All%20Coolangatta%20Tweed%20Line%20images/CurrumbinRailwayBridgetendercostanddate_zps75a990e4.jpg

I wish to state none of  the obsolete material, documents or otherwise, I provide is to be on-sold in any format or any manner including, but not limited to money or payment in kind or any similar scheme including no sales on a DVD or CD or other device or website......  The material is only for private research purposes and is strictly not for profit. I have stated this on this publically available site for all to see so all can clearly understand and thus cannot say they did not know.  

Cheers

Peter Cokley
  petan Chief Commissioner

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The c1960 Working Timetable (WTT) [6.5MB] for the Beenleigh north portion of the South Coast Line is available for free download at  https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwajhUSGZRcnREQkk/edit


A year or so ago I supplied the c1960 Beenleigh Tweed portion which is still at https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwajl3WVVHMEJhbG8/edit
  petan Chief Commissioner

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Stapylton Beenleigh rail route 1947. The red dots are the train stations with the rum distillery branch shown as well. The pre 1891 Yatala station would have been close to the side street shown as it was 24 chains / 483 metres south of the river bank.


http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/All%20Coolangatta%20Tweed%20Line%20images/Beenleigh-1947_zpsc691a035.jpg

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This is another experiment in merging screen shots using John Oxley Library maps from http://hdl.handle.net/10462/comp/1344  The St Helena Island one I did the other day was also a similar experiment.

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