Graph needs more dwell.Graph is approximate, methinks. I came up with the idea of using a graph like that quite some time ago, whereby time is on the x-axis and displacement (chaining distance) is on the y-axis. The graph seen here is very rough, as it only has station points and uses straight lines; nevertheless, it's still a very good way to plot stopping patterns and actually see how the separations expand and contract. I never got around to actually building such a graph because I couldn't shake the sense that I needed to form proper displacement curves using real data.
I found another interesting tidbit in the draft timetable - it seems the Bankstown Line goes via Museum on weekends and on to Homebush, in contrast to the new via Town Hall norm on weekdays.The change to the weekend timetable is minimal (except terminating trains at Lidcombe and Homebush).
I'm guessing it makes things a little more simpler doing it like that on the weekend.
There does not seem to be any reason (other than resources) that the Kingsgrove starters could not be extended as a second express service each hour to bring Campbelltown to the City up to 4tph all day.I think a possible reason is not to upset Kingsgrove passengers too much.
Thanks, but do you know what is meant "early" in this instance, as I can't see if a train is due at a certain time, that it would have an early after the time?On weekend, trains from Newcastle often arrive at Strathfield 3-4 minutes early.
It seems that few people talk about the situation of Homebush here.
Homebush will not get any westbound train (except late night).
In other words, passengers travelling from Homebush to the west (Flemington, Lidcombe, Auburn and all stations beyond) must backtrack to Strathfield and change train.
Cityrail may need to introduce a new clause to allow such travel pattern.
Thanks. Interesting.Or two trains going via Redfern.
Unless I'm mistaken, to travel the short distance from Homebush to Sefton will require four trains. Haha
I can't see that happening. Almost seems like complete a oversight.
I think without the skip-stopping the timetable would have been slower, as all trains have an identical stop everywhere pattern south of Chatswood. They couldn't add more stops to the Central Coast patterns, and to for stability and to maintain the even separation they needed to ensure *some* local services skipped stop at least some stations. There really isn't any other way to increase the numbers of train per hour at these stations without leaving 15 min holes anyway, and without leaving big holes at other stations as well. From what I understand about station usage patterns, they've picked the least used stations to minimise the number of PAX who get a 15 min frequency (with the possible exception of Turramurra. I'm not saying it's ideal, but it's much better than currently.
Another feature of the TT is Hornsby gets a regular 5 min spaced frequency on the suburbans (some from the CC), which should - in theory - mean PAX there will be much more reluctant to get a "faster" interurban via Strathfield.
The bottom line is 10 min frequency is extremely difficult to achieve and fully utilise line capacity because the minimum/standard separations are 3 minutes. 3 is co-prime with 9, 12 and 15. At one stage the North Shore was tabled using something resembling a 12 min repetition, but that is incompatible with the 4tph on the ECL, and interacting the main north North of Hornsby.
As for mode changes, I know very little about bus interchanges on the North Shore, but if the bus feeders are adjusted to hub out of Gordon and Turramurra, that should further shift the load away from the less well used stations.
Overall, this seems to be a pretty good timetable for those from the South West with a good speed up, and should help spread the load between services.Thanks for your post, I tend to agree with you, but there's a few niggling aggravating points e.g. why not extend the Kingsgrove trains to Campbelltown and have a 4tph frequency there and/or have the faster trains stop at Kingsgrove so there is an 8tph frequency there. The main other one is what is with the 7 minute dwell at Revesby O/B on weekends to let the Canberra Explorer through. Couldn't it leave Central (i) earlier or later?
The addition is 1tph Kingsgrove and 1tph Campbelltown (separated by 1/2 hour from each other).Ok, thanks for the correction.
Or two trains going via Redfern.
You could probably count on one hand the number of people doing such a trip in a day. It's unsurprising that there are some losers.
Catching four trains to travel five stations. I think that's more than a loss.Maybe they should stop at all stations Lidcombe to Redfern then. There will always be some station that you need four trains to reach from Sefton otherwise.
Downright rude and unacceptable. Has to be fixed. Stop the South Line trains at Homebush.
They're re-distributing the run numbers so what is the case now will likely not be the case come new timetable in October. The 600 series is expected to be taken by Tangaras on Sector 1 only while the A Sets (which currently use the 600 series) will be integrated with the rest of the suburban stock on Sectors 2 and 3.
May I ask, how many A Sets are they expecting to be in revenue service from when the new timetable commences in October?
I would guestimate around 50-55 based on there current rate of coming online.The way things are going that is a conservative guess. I believe set 47 was delivered to Auburn last week.
I've noticed they're included the Cockatoo run which operates to Moss Val via Robertson, is this normal?
It's also on the tripview app...
I've noticed they're included the Cockatoo run which operates to Moss Val via Robertson, is this normal?Yes, it's definitely on the app. I know volunteers on that service who got yelled at by passengers at Hurstville who were not impressed that they could not board it, waving their phones and pointing to the run being on it.
It's also on the tripview app...
So we have just spent millions of dollars building Platform 7 at Homebush, with no trains stopping there. The terminators will use the existing Platform 6.
And we have spent $140 million extending the four tracks from Kingsgrove to Revesby and only a few services a day (including the Melbourne XPT and Canberra Xplorers) will be using the new Mains?
I'm glad the designers of these white elephants didn't design the Harbour Bridge.
Maybe Gladys needs to clean out these planners and save further waste.
There will be quite a few trains in peak hour using the quad. In off peak, the Southern Highlands direct and about 1 suburban train an hour will be express from Holsworthy to Wolli Creek, which I'm almost certain will use the new mains.On top of this, it's an exercise in future-proofing, allowing the locals to Revesby and the Airport line to be used as a separate line (e.g. in a metro project).