VL Class over to BG for Maryvale traffic?

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I am advised today a VL Class will be put onto BG for the Qube Maryvale traffic. Can this be confirmed and if so what number please?

http://www.railpage.com.au/locos/class/65/

Regards
Brian

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  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
I am advised today a VL Class will be put onto BG for the Qube Maryvale traffic. Can this be confirmed and if so what number please?

http://www.railpage.com.au/locos/class/65/

Regards
Brian
bevans
Someone in the know posted on ausloco mailing list yesterday that it is correct, and the loco is VL362.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
So any ideas on where the BG rollingstock will come from?

Regards
Brian
  M636C Minister for Railways

So any ideas on where the BG rollingstock will come from?

Regards
Brian
bevans

At least some of the VL class have ex VR bogies which would be suitable for conversion to broad gauge.
I don't know what bogies 362 has at the moment.
New wheelsets would be required and the brake gear would need to be adjusted to the new position.

M636C
  bayside1 Station Master

Do we know when this is likely to happen
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Do we know when this is likely to happen
bayside1
1st July it kicks off, VL might not be on the first service but thats the date the train starts for QUBE.
  SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
might there just be some BG locos comign to the market ?
  monday Chief Commissioner

Most of the VL's have new cast bogies from NZ, but some of them also have been 're-sourced' 2nd pattern VR bogies - I think 352 is one of them.

Both the old VR bogies and new cast bogies from NZ are gauge convertible.

Whilst witnessing 1st pattern bogies being gauge converted to SG from BG, I had assumed that it was only pushed in discs and cut down brake hangers, but the reality is that new bow-cranks and other linkages are required to be machined in lieu of other parts that come out.  It would be the same going from SG out to BG too.

Its 'easy' to do, if you know what you are doing, have a capable workshop and skilled workforce, and as well have the patterns to make the replacement parts - on the other hand, its probably a real biatch if you don't...

So in summary, it doesn't really matter which VL they grab, they are all do-able on the gauge conversion front - it also means that in addition to both G512 (being converted now) and G515 that are on BG, as well as VL362, there are another 11 candidates in the VL class that could also be gauge converted.  This would suggest that there is no potential 'shortage' of high horsepower locomotives that could be put on BG, and also means that PN don't have the monopoly on 5'3" locomotives either.
  ed31880 Train Controller

It is also worth mentioning that Crleasing's BRM class has the same gauge convertible bogies as the VL's and are therefore also capable of operating on broad gauge. Do the VL's have accreditation to operate on broad gauge or will they have to undergo accreditation trials before they enter broad gauge service?
  Clyde_AT26HC-2M Chief Train Controller

Most of the VL's have new cast bogies from NZ, but some of them also have been 're-sourced' 2nd pattern VR bogies - I think 352 is one of them.

Both the old VR bogies and new cast bogies from NZ are gauge convertible.

Whilst witnessing 1st pattern bogies being gauge converted to SG from BG, I had assumed that it was only pushed in discs and cut down brake hangers, but the reality is that new bow-cranks and other linkages are required to be machined in lieu of other parts that come out.  It would be the same going from SG out to BG too.

Its 'easy' to do, if you know what you are doing, have a capable workshop and skilled workforce, and as well have the patterns to make the replacement parts - on the other hand, its probably a real biatch if you don't...

So in summary, it doesn't really matter which VL they grab, they are all do-able on the gauge conversion front - it also means that in addition to both G512 (being converted now) and G515 that are on BG, as well as VL362, there are another 11 candidates in the VL class that could also be gauge converted.  This would suggest that there is no potential 'shortage' of high horsepower locomotives that could be put on BG, and also means that PN don't have the monopoly on 5'3" locomotives either.
monday

VL351 and VL352 entered service with the 2nd pattern VR bogies while the rest were new cast like stated.
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
A VL has turned up in melbourne and seems to be missing its logos and numbers according to the photo (Which is on one of the facebook groups). Would this be one of the ones that are meant to go to BG and why might they have pulled off some of the lettering? To me that normally means to loco has been sold however I don't think CFCLA would want to be selling off any of their VL's.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
A VL has turned up in melbourne and seems to be missing its logos and numbers according to the photo (Which is on one of the facebook groups). Would this be one of the ones that are meant to go to BG and why might they have pulled off some of the lettering? To me that normally means to loco has been sold however I don't think CFCLA would want to be selling off any of their VL's.
DounutCereal
It'll probably get repainted since going on BG it'll probably be on a looooooong term lease.
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Will the VL's be used on other BG QUBE services such at the Warrnambool or Deni freights?
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
Will the VL's be used on other BG QUBE services such at the Warrnambool or Deni freights?
SamTheMan79

QUBE run a freight to Warrnambool?
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
QUBE run a freight to Warrnambool?
QSB6.7

2nd mistake for the night....... El Zorro run the freight but use QUBE's facilities back in Melbourne.
  Spion_Kop Station Master

2nd mistake for the night....... El Zorro run the freight but use QUBE's facilities back in Melbourne.
SamTheMan79
The Warrnambool train belongs to QUBE and is run by RPE crews and hired rollingstock. I understand QUBE don't have the qualified crews to man this train.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
The Warrnambool train belongs to QUBE and is run by RPE crews and hired rollingstock. I understand QUBE don't have the qualified crews to man this train.
Spion_Kop
Can get to Warrnambool if QUBE really had to.
  NOELWB Locomotive Driver

Is there any more news regarding the alleged broad gauge VL. I can't see why you would need to gauge convert a VL when following El Zorros demise there should be plenty of BG locomotives available.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Qube want a fuel efficient locos not a rolling museum.... give or take 6 months we'll see what else comes down on BG

Oh, and the VL should be done by the end of the month
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Is there any more news regarding the alleged broad gauge VL. I can't see why you would need to gauge convert a VL when following El Zorros demise there should be plenty of BG locomotives available.
NOELWB
You're assuming that said locomotives would be available for sale and/or hire, and, as speedemon08 states, Qube would like to use modern locomotives with good crew comfort, rather than clapped out old bangers to please trackside photographers.
  NOELWB Locomotive Driver

I don't recall suggesting using museum pieces or clapped out locos. The VLs are owned by CFCLA as is the G class recently used on the Maryvale. I don't have a copy of CFCLAs order book so I can't comment on the Gs availability but on its face a CFCLA BG G class would appear to fit QUBES requirements adequately. I will be watching with renewed interest for developments at the end of the month.
Oh, and I am sure that the owners of some of those museum pieces are looking for any available revenue.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
I don't recall suggesting using museum pieces or clapped out locos. The VLs are owned by CFCLA as is the G class recently used on the Maryvale. I don't have a copy of CFCLAs order book so I can't comment on the Gs availability but on its face a CFCLA BG G class would appear to fit QUBES requirements adequately. I will be watching with renewed interest for developments at the end of the month.
Oh, and I am sure that the owners of some of those museum pieces are looking for any available revenue.
NOELWB
Yeah, all the two free CFCLA G's are on Broad gauge already (G512 & 515). They need extra power.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The issue with older locomotives is they are not as fuel efficient as the new models.  Therefore the cost of using older units is higher in terms of fuel.  That is my understanding of the point being made.

Regards
Brian
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I don't recall suggesting using museum pieces or clapped out locos.
NOELWB
Not in as many words, but by suggesting that with the demise of El Zorro there would be an abundance of BG power available... most, if not all of the BG power that El Zorro used that was not an AWB owned/operated G Class was indeed a clapped out old loco hired out from a museum.


The VLs are owned by CFCLA as is the G class recently used on the Maryvale. I don't have a copy of CFCLAs order book so I can't comment on the Gs availability but on its face a CFCLA BG G class would appear to fit QUBES requirements adequately. I will be watching with renewed interest for developments at the end of the month. Oh, and I am sure that the owners of some of those museum pieces are looking for any available revenue.
NOELWB
CFCL Australia own three G Class. G511 is on long term hire to SSR for NSW traffic. G512 and G515 are already on hire to Qube, on the BG.
  Colhad Chief Commissioner

Location: Watching 2300 class hauled coalies out at Wulkuraka.
A VL in QUBE colours would look interesting.

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