NE SG line, post gauge conversion

 
  woodford Chief Commissioner




Thanks Woodford for continuing to report on the works along the N.E. standard gauge line. Its greatly appreciated.

"Campaspe"


Thanks, feedback is much apreciated as I am not one the goes in at all for "broadcasting" anything.

As previously mentioned I will be continuing until the VLine Albury service returns to some kind of normality, then I'm gone.

woodford

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line





Thanks Woodford for continuing to report on the works along the N.E. standard gauge line. Its greatly appreciated.

"Campaspe"


Thanks, feedback is much apreciated as I am not one the goes in at all for "broadcasting" anything.

As previously mentioned I will be continuing until the VLine Albury service returns to some kind of normality, then I'm gone.

woodford
"woodford"


Obviously you're quite a young man Mr Woodford Exclamation
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!







Thanks Woodford for continuing to report on the works along the N.E. standard gauge line. Its greatly appreciated.

"Campaspe"


Thanks, feedback is much apreciated as I am not one the goes in at all for "broadcasting" anything.

As previously mentioned I will be continuing until the VLine Albury service returns to some kind of normality, then I'm gone.

woodford
"woodford"


Obviously you're quite a young man Mr Woodford Exclamation
"The Vinelander"


Depends how many years back do you go to benchmark 'normal'? Wink
  woodford Chief Commissioner


Looking like ARTC is planning to get busy............

There is a large collection of track maintence equipment in Benalla, been delivered over the past day. There is aprox 15 machines around half are excavators with track implements the rest are high rail tippers of various sizes.
Theres a large stockpile of ballast in the yard and various piles at points along the track. A 22 car ballast train has apparently been putting out ballast everyday for the last week.

In the Violet Town Ballast siding are three tampers with ballast ploughs.

woodford

  woodford Chief Commissioner

I understand the coil steel is running 7 days per week with a train in each direction
Regards
Brian
bevans

This appears to be correct I have twice now seen the steel train going south on consecutive days.
Consists of mostly coiled steel, say half a dozen or so cars of VERY large flats and half dozen cars of sort of half height very strong looking  containers.

Woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

All those excavators (I counted 13 yesterday) at Benalla are replacing faulty ballast from aprox 600 metres of track on the West Line in the immediate area of the station. Of those 600 metres 300 of these are for the straight section of track serving the main platform. The rest varies from around 1 k Seymour side to around 2 k Wang side.
The site works manager stated the drainage for the platform may be being redone.

PS, I was near one of the level crossings when the/a steel train went through nice and  slow because of the works, so I had a good look. Man someone in Melbourne is going through steel at an enormouse rate. There must be between 1500 and 2000 tons of steel per day going down the line.

woodford
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Man someone in Melbourne is going through steel at an enormouse rate. There must be between 1500 and 2000 tons of steel per day going down the line.

woodford
"woodford"

I wonder how much steel per day Is getting off loaded from ships at the PoM from steel mills In Thailand, PRC and Korea.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
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PS, I was near one of the level crossings when the/a steel train went through nice and  slow because of the works, so I had a good look. Man someone in Melbourne is going through steel at an enormouse rate. There must be between 1500 and 2000 tons of steel per day going down the line.

woodford
woodford
Background to the extra steel movments is here

http://www.railpage.com.au/news-10150.htm
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Background to the extra steel movments is here

http://www.railpage.com.au/news-10150.htm
bingley hall

Yep, that would be right around, 2000 tons of steel per day by rail.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

VLine have just released March 2013 performance figures, and I'm not sure if Albury services can get any worse:
Reliability - 47.6% (Feb was 58.3%, Jan 95.3%)
Punctuality - 23.8% (Feb was 22.4%, Jan 40.2%)

That's not public transport, that's a lottery....
  Operater Junior Train Controller

Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Tues., May 7th,13, 16:25 Hrs. M.D.T.
Hi Group,
Has Anyone had an opportunity to get pictures of the Track Work being done between Cootamundra
south to Albury and South to Saymour and Points South. I've been reading the "Comments" and can
say they tell some interesting views about track being allowed to deteriate to unacceptable conditions
over the years, Its easy to blame ARTC for problems that were Way beyond their control, witch shows
Govmnt Indifference to Freight & Psgr Rail.
The fact that ARTC is making a difference the best they can with the Funds that are available is better
then nothing at all, really. If Victoria & N.S.W. really cared about the Railroads, they'd B kicking in Funds
to Make Something Happen and Help State Taxpayers get value for the Money at stake in terms of Both
FREIGHT & PSGR Rail.
The Free Flow of Goods, Services and People between Sydney & Melbourne goes a long way to Making use
of Assets - Rail, when All Federal/State Govmnts co-operate for the Good of Everyone at Stake for the
Long Term use of Rail, Both Freight as Well as Psgr,

Tnx.,
Operator.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Are there anymore updates available on improving the condition of the NESG ? Up here in NSW the mud holes are breeding again and track speed restrictions increasing in number .
Also what sections in Victoria were relaid with 60 kg rail and is this project still moving along .
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The East Line from Seymour North through to Murray River was relaid in 60kg rail in last year or so .  The single sg line South of Symour is now also largely 60 kg rail also .  West Line on Wodonga by-pass is also 60kg rail .  West Line Seymour North to Wodonga is 47kg rail CWR  .
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Over the past months much ballast work has been done on the  East line south of Benalla down to the start of the double track at Seymour. Mostly (but not only) the edge cleaner, around three tampers and there ballast ploughs. There has been at least 40 1200 ton train loads of Ballast put on that line, ie 48,000 tons. I have not been able to spend much time around the track and the times I were around found it difficult to find where they were working so cannot give much more detail. Over the past fews days they have started north of Benalla I have not seen as yet which line they are working on.

woodford
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Thanks for the replies fellas .
The reason I'm asking about the 60 kg rail is that 93 classes are turning up on steel trains and I have a feeling its because of the restricted fuel loads and therefore range . I think the story was that these units can run at 115 100 and 80 with low medium and high fuel levels though they may be able to go up a level on line with 30TAL concrete sleepers and 60 Kg rail .
With the reballasting are they clearing out the old mud and pebbles with an under rail chain ripper BLX machine ?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

With the reballasting are they clearing out the old mud and pebbles with an under rail chain ripper BLX machine ?
BDA

This has mostly all been done, remember they have been working on the ballast for nearly 3 years now, one of the first sections done was a __very__ large mudhole just north of Tallarook (which has never returned). They started working on the last section to be done, Broadmedows to Craigeburn a month or so back. The work has been mostly done by three chain digger attachments on high rail excavators. I managed to get a short video of on of these in action, ___VERY____ good Smile.

woodford
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Just a question - what actually determines the maximum Axle Load permitted? I assume a combination of rail weight and sleeper spacing, along with any bridge load restrictions?

Reason for asking is that I have just returned from a trip to Canada and the USA, and I noticed that on the Canadian Pacific mainline (at least the parts that I saw close-up) in BC that there was jointed rail and all timber sleepers - though spaced about one sleeper apart. In Montana/Idaho/Washington by comparison, the BNSF mainline was all concrete and welded rail. I am assuming that both are running 30 TAL.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Just a question - what actually determines the maximum Axle Load permitted? I assume a combination of rail weight and sleeper spacing, along with any bridge load restrictions?
mikesyd


That would be correct.



Reason for asking is that I have just returned from a trip to Canada and the USA, and I noticed that on the Canadian Pacific mainline (at least the parts that I saw close-up) in BC that there was jointed rail and all timber sleepers - though spaced about one sleeper apart. In Montana/Idaho/Washington by comparison, the BNSF mainline was all concrete and welded rail. I am assuming that both are running 30 TAL.




Assumming any knowledge is probably not a real great idea, but if the same sort of vehicles are traveling over the roads it would be a safe bet the permited axle load would be the same. Note, Timber sleepers are a good deal easier on the track bed than concrete. One of the reasons for going to concrete in Australia is the rising cost of timber sleepers, they are getting  very expensive.

woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Thanks for the replies fellas .
The reason I'm asking about the 60 kg rail is that 93 classes are turning up on steel trains and I have a feeling its because of the restricted fuel loads and therefore range . I think the story was that these units can run at 115 100 and 80 with low medium and high fuel levels though they may be able to go up a level on line with 30TAL concrete sleepers and 60 Kg rail .
With the reballasting are they clearing out the old mud and pebbles with an under rail chain ripper BLX machine ?
BDA
There were two 93's and an NR on the steel train yesterday. It appears the train is limited to 80kph due to the axle load, I have never seen it above that speed.

The steel train is not very popular with the older track workers I may say.

Man there some steel coming down to Melbourne these days I counted nearly 100 coils of steel on the train.

woodford
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I though going back into the early NRC days steel trains could do 90 in Victoria on the NESG .
Anyway my point was that if axle loads could be higher on 30TAL sleepers with 60 Kg rail they may be allowed to pump more fuel into 93s and increase their range . Obviously they're not going to burn 5000L between Dynon and Albury but every thousand litres helps . In a perfect world we would have the above perway standards all the way to Sydney so they could be filled to 14000L not 7400 . The difference is 139T gross vs 134 so we are speaking about less than one TAL increase .
  skitz Chief Commissioner

There were two 93's and an NR on the steel train yesterday. It appears the train is limited to 80kph due to the axle load, I have never seen it above that speed.

The steel train is not very popular with the older track workers I may say.

Man there some steel coming down to Melbourne these days I counted nearly 100 coils of steel on the train.

woodford
woodford

Yes the steel train is limited to 80km/hr.  I cant remember with any certainty but its something like 23t@80km/hr. There is something in my mind that ARTC were always trying for 25t@80km/hr but I am no longer close enough to the inductry to know that they got there.  That train is hated by the track guys as its usually the train that finds the weaknesses in the track statistically more often due to is consistent heavy axle load and wagon ride quality.  The contribution to a fatigue failure in what is invariably a weld is actually little, just happens to be the straw that breaks it at the end of its fatigue life.

As a generalisation the steel trains would have any number of basic wagons on them due to the low speed.  There are others that can describe this better than me but being limited to 80km/hr meant that simple three piece bogies with no fancy additional ride and tracking control could be used and 80km/hr was thier upper limit.  Slower, but heavy and rough is what I am trying to point out.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

The Ak train arrived from the north and stabled in the loop at Benalla just before 1600 yesterday (tuesday). Also the Ballast train is back I assume doing daily runs putting out 1200 tons of ballast a run.

woodford
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

The Ak train arrived from the north and stabled in the loop at Benalla just before 1600 yesterday (tuesday). Also the Ballast train is back I assume doing daily runs putting out 1200 tons of ballast a run.

woodford
woodford
Any idea when they expect to fix the last of the ballast problems?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Any idea when they expect to fix the last of the ballast problems?
Duncs

I have no idea, the VLine site still gives the return of the midday train as the 30th of June, given the mount of work ARTC has done this date still seems reasonable.

The easiest way to check the line out is to take a train but the mid day train is not running so one cannot just take a quick trip down and back to see what is going on. Such a trip is way cheaper than a road trip and one sees more.

woodford
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

I have no idea, the VLine site still gives the return of the midday train as the 30th of June, given the mount of work ARTC has done this date still seems reasonable.

The easiest way to check the line out is to take a train but the mid day train is not running so one cannot just take a quick trip down and back to see what is going on. Such a trip is way cheaper than a road trip and one sees more.

woodford
woodford
I understand

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