Relocation of 10 Class locos

 
  lunchbox Locomotive Driver

An application has been received for relocating seven 10-Class locos from North Rothbury to Dorrigo.
Details in the Government Noticeboard, Sydney Morning Herald, Wed 24 April, page 41.

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  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Lunchbox, I put a news item up about them, but I can't find the news item.

But the news item links to this story here: http://www.maitlandmercury.com.au/story/1439630/new-home-for-historic-engines/?src=rss

The following is a comment posted by Peter Garnham on the site, who deals with Steamfest at Maitland.

Peter Garnham
The engines were offered to Council, but the week before the meeting they were sold and the offer was withdrawn, in saying this Council was in no position to buy them without assistance due to the price being asked for the collection. Mr Richards made his decision and the deal was done, I understand there is only enough parts to assemble 3 of the 7 due to losses and parts used on 10 & 18.
  244hseriesalco Chief Train Controller

Lunchbox, I put a news item up about them, but I can't find the news item.

But the news item links to this story here: http://www.maitlandmercury.com.au/story/1439630/new-home-for-historic-engines/?src=rss

The following is a comment posted by Peter Garnham on the site, who deals with Steamfest at Maitland.

Peter Garnham
The engines were offered to Council, but the week before the meeting they were sold and the offer was withdrawn, in saying this Council was in no position to buy them without assistance due to the price being asked for the collection. Mr Richards made his decision and the deal was done, I understand there is only enough parts to assemble 3 of the 7 due to losses and parts used on 10 & 18.
"Newcastle Express"



"I understand there is only enough parts to assemble 3 of the 7 due LOSSES and parts used on 10 & 18"


Pretty disgusting considering they were complete when they were removed from the East Greta, and Mr Richards is on NBN news film saying how he "only bought them to keep them intact". I have a that film somewhere as my Dad worked for NBN for 30plus years and knew David Threlfo pretty well. David was the one who produced most of the NBN productions on the RVR & SMR lines. Ill have to see if i can dig that footage out.
  fernhill Chief Train Controller

It has been advertised in todays paper as a Section 60.  This is an application to change something on the State Heritage Register.  It gives you all the opportunity to object or support.

On what I have witnessed everybody from the Hunter should be objecting on the grounds that they are specific to the Hunter Region and the new owner should submit a plan on how and the ability to care for these locomotives. Including their track record.

If the new owner does not care for something on the State Heritage Register there are up to $1mill fines.

But before we get to this stage the people from SMR region should be jumping up and down.

Photographs may help the cause

Heritage Council address for this is
http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/heritageapp/CommentonDevelopmentApplications.aspx

I have seen and enough to be worried

Speak now or fore ever hold your peace
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
Does anyone actually believe this statement?
Dorrigo Steam Railway and Museum has given Mr Richards assurances the engines would be well looked after among the largest collection of historic rolling stock in NSW. “They will be restored and operate on a branch line about 40 miles [65 kilometres] long,” Mr Richards said.
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  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Johnboy, that statement you quoted seems to contradict what Peter Garnham has stated.

Believe that statement?: Pigs are ye flying!

They are meant to represent the Hunter as others have stated, but may I ask that if you're concerned, to write a letter outlining the reasons why.
  Shed_Rat Train Controller

Location: 'A' Shop - Swindon Works
Amazing how Richard's attitude has changed over 26 years! Below is an article from the Cessnock Herald supliment to the Newcastle Herald dated 19 November 1987.
  fernhill Chief Train Controller

Interesting article and show how $$$$ and developers can change their views over time to suit themselves mainly.  I will include it but people can change their position but for now it will be up to the Heritage Council to allow/disallow or put conditions on items of State Significance.Thats why it is important to submit before the closing date
  exarmidale Train Controller

Before they can be moved shouldn't all the asbestos be removed?

There is probably a sh-one-t load of fibres already floating around Dorrigo with what's already up there.  

I am pretty sure now nothing can be moved from it's original position if it has material containing asbestos.

There are strict guidelines for its management, removal and disposal.
  steamfreak711 Locomotive Driver

I'm sure DSRM will be able to supply a compelling argument as to why the locomotives are in danger in their current environment, and why they should be moved to the safety of the DSRM compound to be part of the world's largest railway museum collection.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Wouldnt you call it Mr Jones "worlds largest private rusty locomotive collection" seeing as there is no general public access so you can not really call it a museum.What a shame so many working historic items have headed up into the rain forrest to never turn a wheel again.Maybe they should stop buying questionable historic items like the breakdown crane stored at chullora purchased recently by DSRM and spend some money preserving what they already have up there.Everything is out in the open in a high rainfall area,some sheds wouldnt go astray to protect locos/rolling stock from weather.
  aussieloco Junior Train Controller

Before they can be moved shouldn't all the asbestos be removed?

There is probably a sh-one-t load of fibres already floating around Dorrigo with what's already up there.  

I am pretty sure now nothing can be moved from it's original position if it has material containing asbestos.

There are strict guidelines for its management, removal and disposal.
"exarmidale"


Well there isn't any asbestos. Would you like to know why this is? It is because all 7 locos are completely stripped. When I was at Branxton, I saw five pieces- three main frames, with only one still with its wheels; a boiler that belonged to neither of the frames and the side tanks and cab from another 10 class altogether. There is no asbestos on locos that have been stripped down to nothing, only to be sold for 630,000 to someone who actually gives a damn about their preservation. Richards has been given 12 months, which is probably something more like 8-9 months now to remove all his things from the site, otherwise the wreckers come in and destroy everything there. And they don't care for heritage orders- they care about being paid. You all seem to be vehemently against the locos going to Dorrigo simply because you believe that they will be worst off there, when if you had seen the parts at Branxton, you would think that Keith was a godsend for these locos. The sale is for 7 locos- he will be lucky to get enough parts to put together one of them. So before you all lay blame at the feet of the person who is trying desperately to get all the pieces in one location, not spread over an entire site, in order to salvage what little is left of 7 heritage listed locos, perhaps you should direct your anger towards the person who allowed them to go from 7 complete locos to a pile of rusty pieces lying around a site. You complain about the condition of Keith's locos- at least all of the them are preserved and intact.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
You would think they would restore the line and run some trains before buying anymore static displays.
How many working 10 class left in the Hunter?
  WayneTedrow Junior Train Controller

You would think they would restore the line and run some trains before buying anymore static displays.
How many working 10 class left in the Hunter?
Junction box

None!!!
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

Aussieloco

That is truly a shame if they have finished up as you say.
I aways believed that they would still have been intact, but in poor condition due to age.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
You would think they would restore the line and run some trains before buying anymore static displays.
How many working 10 class left in the Hunter?
Junction box
10 and 18 at East Greta were working, although I understand that they are not working at the moment. I doubt they're beyond the realm of possibility though, given they've run at least one tour recently.

30 at Richmond Vale, although I don't know what the status of it is.

Those are three that spring to mind. Provided that enough parts are retained to keep three or four examples of the class going, what is the obsession about keeping the entire class? Just sort the good from the bad and scrap the rubbish. What other class is preserved in it's entirety? What makes the 10 Class so special?
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Before they can be moved shouldn't all the asbestos be removed?

There is probably a sh-one-t load of fibres already floating around Dorrigo with what's already up there.  

I am pretty sure now nothing can be moved from it's original position if it has material containing asbestos.

There are strict guidelines for its management, removal and disposal.
exarmidale
Mr exarmidale,

The asbestos requirement is only for the asbestos to remain intact and be sealed/covered on a moveable item (such as a steam loco).  Just don't do anything to damage or disturb the covering.  3085 still has its asbestos insulation mostly intact and its movement from Thirlmere to Goulburn by road was organised by ORH, so should have complied with all state legislation.

Happy moving,

John
  Speedbird1 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Wyee
30 at Richmond Vale, although I don't know what the status of it is
Raichase
Number 30 is operational, running tour trains from Richmond Main to Pelaw Main. 1 of 2 steam locos they have there running (that I know of).
  Shed_Rat Train Controller

Location: 'A' Shop - Swindon Works
Number 30 is operational, running tour trains from Richmond Main to Pelaw Main. 1 of 2 steam locos they have there running (that I know of).
Speedbird1
Your information is wrong. SMR 30 has been out of service on the RVRM since October 2009 & is currently minus tanks etc awating a boiler lift. Due to its mechanical condition the boiler off 30 after reciving attention was going to be placed in th frames of SMR 24 as 24 is in much better mechanical condition. Due to an apparent policy change by the meseum management it has stalled as it been ready for this boiler lift for over a year Rolling Eyes and the main person involved working on the project has apparently walked away in disgust.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Your information is wrong. SMR 30 has been out of service on the RVRM since October 2009 & is currently minus tanks etc awating a boiler lift. Due to its mechanical condition the boiler off 30 after reciving attention was going to be placed in th frames of SMR 24 as 24 is in much better mechanical condition. Due to an apparent policy change by the meseum management it has stalled as it been ready for this boiler lift for over a year Rolling Eyes and the main person involved working on the project has apparently walked away in disgust.
Shed_Rat
Thanks for the information - I recall "30" was operating on both visits I've made to the railway, but those were both pre October 2009. I did hear that it was out of action, but wasn't sure if it had re-entered service or not.
  Shed_Rat Train Controller

Location: 'A' Shop - Swindon Works
And the relocation has been approved.
http://www.maitlandmercury.com.au/story/1630057/historic-engines-to-go/?cs=171
  tezza Chief Commissioner

Maybe relocate this thread in Preservation and Tourist Railways so people will see it
  Spletsie Chief Commissioner

The article in today's Maitland Mercury talks about the requirement to build shelters for the locomotives. I am wondering if this stipulation applies only to heritage locomotives being moved to a new location. There would be numerous railway heritage items currently not under shelter.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
The article in today's Maitland Mercury talks about the requirement to build shelters for the locomotives. I am wondering if this stipulation applies only to heritage locomotives being moved to a new location. There would be numerous railway heritage items currently not under shelter.
Spletsie
It might have to do with the fact that these locomotives are on the register, as opposed to just being really, really old?
  fernhill Chief Train Controller

Spineless  if the heritage council sent reps up there to look and came to this decision
Or maybe the minister is a dead duck anyway at the next election. She does represent Maitland and heritage or at least supposed to

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