Ex NSWR Sleeping Cars Used by Zig Zag Railway as Members' Ammenities to be Scrapped

 
  Terry Boardman Beginner

Location: Queenscliff NSW
Sad to hear that the three old ex-NSWR sleeping cars are beyond repair and are to leave the site. According to the records I can find it is well over 50 years since the Zig Zag Railway obtained them and they have performed well since then as members sleeping, cooking and eating amenities - first for a short time at Petersham and for much longer at Bottom Points. VAM892 was built in 1903, LAM1250 in 1907, and EAM1299 in 1908, and all were built in NSWR workshops. Vale good and faithful servants

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  allambee Chief Train Controller

Sad to hear that the three old ex-NSWR sleeping cars are beyond repair and are to leave the site. According to the records I can find it is well over 50 years since the Zig Zag Railway obtained them and they have performed well since then as members sleeping, cooking and eating amenities - first for a short time at Petersham and for much longer at Bottom Points. VAM892 was built in 1903, LAM1250 in 1907, and EAM1299 in 1908, and all were built in NSWR workshops. Vale good and faithful servants
Terry Boardman
Going to be scrapped eh?
Why not sell them as last time I heard the Zig Zag was on its financial backside and was scratching around for penny's.
In the coming years I think there people will be hearing alot more of museums scrapping of carriages that are "beyond repair". Usually acquired for a small sums in the 1970's, carriages are the first to go when not stored under cover and neglected by museums, we have seen this happen with the recent scrappings on the Dorrigo line.
So its Zig Zag today, who will be doing it next?
  flathog Chief Commissioner

Location: Central West, NSW
Going to be scrapped eh?
Why not sell them as last time I heard the Zig Zag was on its financial backside and was scratching around for penny's.
In the coming years I think there people will be hearing alot more of museums scrapping of carriages that are "beyond repair". Usually acquired for a small sums in the 1970's, carriages are the first to go when not stored under cover and neglected by museums, we have seen this happen with the recent scrappings on the Dorrigo line.
So its Zig Zag today, who will be doing it next?
allambee
This has been released by the railway to its membrs just to clarify;

Expressions of interest invited for

“The removal from Bottom Points of the EAM, LAM and VAM standard gauge cars (Complete or bodies only)”.

These three of the four original Mainline Carriages moved to Zig Zag in the early Seventies have been deemed unsuitable for human habitation and are to be dismantled to make room for the new meal room, shower and toilet block and narrow gauge Pullman and AAS cars.

While acknowledging the deep emotional attachment to these cars, their removal is a necessary part of cleaning up the workshop and storage areas at Bottom Points to enable secure storage and safe, efficient maintenance of the running fleet.

The Board seeks expressions of interest from individuals or organisations interested in removing these vehicles at no cost to the Co-op.

Please write to
The Secretary,
Zig Zag Railway Co-op Ltd,
P.O. Box 1, Lithgow 2790

or Email to evawell@bigpond.com

Michael Forbes CEO 28th January 2013
ZZR
In addition;

As mentioned last time ?3801 Limited? has requested some of the panelling from our three Carriages (EAM, LAM, VAM) to be used in their restoration of L516, and have made a written submission to the Board regarding this.
Their request is for three sleeping compartment doors, some panelling, moulding and light fittings. They are offering a donation for this which will go towards a fund to improve Members accommodation. The source of these materials will also be acknowledged in the restored Carriage.

While this matter is being decided it is timely for Members to think if any would like any other similar parts from these Carriages. It is understood that to many they are associated with times and people from many years ago when the Railway was being reborn, and so this may be a chance to preserve some part of that history. Think about it and let some one know before the condition deteriorates to a point where there is nothing worth taking.

Yes, even the bogies are available and these can be made into an attractive outdoor setting.
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So whilst the carriages will be 'scrapped', there is opportunity to save whatever you wish, if you wish to do so by inquiring through the right channels! Smile
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Going to be scrapped eh?
Why not sell them as last time I heard the Zig Zag was on its financial backside and was scratching around for penny's.
In the coming years I think there people will be hearing alot more of museums scrapping of carriages that are "beyond repair". Usually acquired for a small sums in the 1970's, carriages are the first to go when not stored under cover and neglected by museums, we have seen this happen with the recent scrappings on the Dorrigo line.
So its Zig Zag today, who will be doing it next?
allambee
Fact is there is only so much money available and sleeping cars are probably the least usefull cars to any hertiage operator. There has been alot of stuff saved during the intial disposals by the various govt operators in the hope or grand visions of "restoring" and running trains. Reality is there is neither the money nor the interest by the public to use them with many I've seen a fire waiting to happen and a home vermin until then. For static heritage purposes we only need 1.

I agree they need to be stored under cover, but I would have thought covered storage was expensive and in an era of decling incomes and increasing costs, something have to sit outside.

Zig zag has made them available to removed at no cost to them, so for those critical of Zig zag, time to coff up.
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
Sad to hear that the three old ex-NSWR sleeping cars are beyond repair and are to leave the site. According to the records I can find it is well over 50 years since the Zig Zag Railway obtained them
Terry Boardman
As a minor point of order - not to detract from the main point of the thread - might I ask you to double check your maths?  I seem to recall that the Zig Zag Railway is of similar vintage to myself (late 1960's), and I would be most indignant were someone to suggest that I qualify for "over 50's" discounts.Razz
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Given the location, the cost of removing the carriages intact would not be cheap.  They most likely arrived by rail, but leaving would no doubt involve paying for cranes big enough to get them over the Main line.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
While acknowledging the deep emotional attachment to these cars, their removal is a necessary part of cleaning up the workshop and storage areas at Bottom Points to enable secure storage and safe, efficient maintenance of the running fleet.
I think this says it all really. What's the point of letting a few crumbling old carriages block progress? As a punter, I'd rather rock up to the operational museum that is the Zig Zag Railway, and things like this that have to pay the price of progress just have to go. You can't save everything.

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