Opal Card Roll-out

 
  BeauGiles Beginner

So reading from this section of the forum has it been announced in regards to Opal Fare Structure as of yet?
The reason I am asking is because if they want to get people off the paper ticketing with incientives and benefits of opal,as well roll the system out on Rail/ Bus as a trial phase only before going 'live' to the general public.
AvonLink
Nope, no further fare information has been announced yet. Ferries were the same as the existing paper MyFerry tickets (with a slight discount)

The only things that have been announced is the 'Weekly Travel Reward' (After 8 paid journeys in a week, all journeys after that are free to customers.), the $2.50 cap for all travel on Sundays, and the $15 daily cap (down from ~$20 for a paper MyMulti Day Pass)

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  Straya Station Staff

Opal should be rolled out on the Light Rail when the Inner West extension is finished, this will help patronage, especially in the City.
  CityTrainGuy Station Staff

Location: Sydney, Penrith
Opal Card will begin a trial on the City Circle and Eastern suburbs railway lines from the 14th June.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTOTqYSKz3g
  CityTrainGuy Station Staff

Location: Sydney, Penrith
OPAL WEBSITE IS UP AND RUNNING!!
http://www.opal.com.au
  abesty1 Chief Commissioner
  Jsurfer Station Master

Location: Bankstown
Well 14th of June here we come lol
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Well 14th of June here we come lol
"Jsurfer"




I'll be putting it to the test on 15 June, I guess.
  GeoffreySYD Beginner

Nope, no further fare information has been announced yet. Ferries were the same as the existing paper MyFerry tickets (with a slight discount)

The only things that have been announced is the 'Weekly Travel Reward' (After 8 paid journeys in a week, all journeys after that are free to customers.), the $2.50 cap for all travel on Sundays, and the $15 daily cap (down from ~$20 for a paper MyMulti Day Pass)
BeauGiles
It's not worth it at all for train only, is it?

I currently pay $1080 for a yearly MyTrain ticket, but it would be $1373 with Opal:
Weekly Travel Reward x 52 weeks = $26.40 x 52 = $1373

I'm sure I don't spend $300 on bus/ferry over the year...
  Airvan99 Junior Train Controller

It's not worth it at all for train only, is it?

I currently pay $1080 for a yearly MyTrain ticket, but it would be $1373 with Opal:
Weekly Travel Reward x 52 weeks = $26.40 x 52 = $1373

I'm sure I don't spend $300 on bus/ferry over the year...
"GeoffreySYD"


Not if you work it out that way, but most people don't work 52 weeks a year. Thats why they give a discount when u pay upfront for a yearly ticket. With opal you don't pay when u are away on holidays or have to finance a large upfront payment
  GlennH Station Master

Not if you work it out that way, but most people don't work 52 weeks a year. Thats why they give a discount when u pay upfront for a yearly ticket. With opal you don't pay when u are away on holidays or have to finance a large upfront payment
Airvan99
Assuming most people work 48 weeks it will still cost $1268 if the current tariffs continue. That's a pretty sizable increase. Some simple maths show that their benefits are smoke and mirrors. From my location station a weekly is $40. A daily peak return is $10. Therefore 4 days equals the cost of a weekly. The Ministers big incentive is that after eight journeys you get free travel on the network. That will cost them nothing unless you travel on weekends - big deal! She announced that all annual and quarterly tickets will cease. So everyone that was getting a discount will now pay full fare. Supposedly they only constitute 4% of travellers. Might only be 4% but when you multiply by the number of peope that currently use the longer term tickets I suggest that is a nice little increase for Cityrail. I also think its pretty inequitable that someone who travels large distances each week will only be entitled to the same "incentive" as those that travel short inner city journeys.
All in I think it is just a further grab from a Government obsessed with sucking every last cent out of the travelling public.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
All in I think it is just a further grab from a Government obsessed with sucking every last cent out of the travelling public.
"GlennH"
That would require a level of competence many of us have difficulty associating the current Ministry with.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
All in I think it is just a further grab from a Government obsessed with sucking every last cent out of the travelling public.
GlennH
I think it's a bit early to "decide" that it's all wrong and it's going to be a ripoff... It's only a new ticketing system, I can't understand how people can be so cynical. Talk about jumping to conclusions...
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
Will work out far cheaper for some commuters who work "irregular" hours.

Taking as an example a commute I used to do, Pendle Hill to City, shift was 0600=1400, and using current fares.

Single is $5.00, return is $10.00 (not eligible for off-peak return), weekly is $40.00.

Under Opal, off peak one-way will be $3.29 each way, two journeys per day coming to $6.58 per day. After four days, eight journeys would have been made for a cost of $26.32, all subsequent journeys (including bus, ferry and light rail) will be free, a saving of $13.68 per week.

A yearly Pendle Hill to City is currently $1600.00, but since I normally go overseas or interstate for my holidays, it is really only useful to me for 48 weeks. Under Opal that will be $1263.36 a saving of $336.64, and that is before we factor in that sometimes on weekends I went to the footy by public transport outside the coverage aree of my weekly, meaning I had to pay for extra fares which will now be covered by the free trips on Opal.

So it can be a winner for some.

[EDIT TO ADD:]

Just spotted the following on the Opal website:


During the Customer Trial you should only use your Opal card if you start and finish your journey at one of the 10 Eastern Suburbs Line and City Circle train stations, or on the Neutral Bay or Manly ferry service.


If you tap on at a Customer Trial station but travel to a station not active for the Opal card, a default fare is deducted by the electronic ticketing system.


Given I live in Katoomba, which is in the maximum fare band, what would happen if I tap on at a Customer Trial Station, with the intention of travelling to Katoomba, and Transits or Police come through checking tickets, would I be liable to a fine?

Sure, they probably won't have the Opal scanners (particularly on the Blue Mountains line) but if a fine is issued, would there be grounds to challenge the fine in court? Considering that with no "tap-off" facility at Katoomba, the default fare is charged, and this would be provable in court by production of the Opal statement as having paid the fare for the journey undertaken.


Dave
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Very well played, thadocta; you pose an excellent question. I rather think that it will boil down to a question of whether or not your Opal card is considered 'valid' during the City & Eastern Suburbs trial period. If it is considered invalid for any reason, then I would conclude that you would be liable to a fine; thus, the validity of an Opal card for travel to Katoomba will need to be the focal point.

I am inclined to believe that it would not be considered valid for that journey, and that it would result in an excessively entertaining conversation with the constabulary.
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
I was thinking a similar thing yesterday, but then I noticed Opal cards for concessions (students) are unavailable so far so I'll keep with the paper ticketing for now.
  GlennH Station Master

I think it's a bit early to "decide" that it's all wrong and it's going to be a ripoff... It's only a new ticketing system, I can't understand how people can be so cynical. Talk about jumping to conclusions...
Raichase
I've probably seen too many governments in my time not to be cynical. I have used similar systems overseas and based on my experience I should be a big improvement. In order to achieve a quick roll out of the system I think the Govt has adopted a very basic fare structure to avoid the complexity that bogged down previous attempts. There will be winners and losers, like everything. Off peak travellers and those who live closer to the city will see some solid benefits. I'm not sure that those who travel larger distances during peak are going to be big winners. I don't have a problem with the free travel but I wonder how many will seriously use it. If you spend long hours during the week on trains they are usually not the first option on weekends, but if it gets more people onto off peak trains I fully support it.
With respect of the cynicism, I would be much happier if the Govt stopped governing by press release and started consulting a bit more. We seem to have lots of things happening eg timetables, SydneyTrains, Opal etc but there isn't a lot of info to explain what will happen. If everything is so good, get it out into the public domain so that everyone can comment with knowledge. Maybe I won't be so cynical then.
  Silver S Set Junior Train Controller

I wonder when it is fully installed to the whole network and I wonder when it is going to be on the busses.
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
Buses come online in 2014 from memory.

Just wondering how the "free ride" after 8 trips will apply to the Airport stations, likewise the $2.50 Sunday cap. Wink
  stupid_girl Assistant Commissioner

Just wondering how the "free ride" after 8 trips will apply to the Airport stations, likewise the $2.50 Sunday cap. Wink
Blackadder
It's not difficult to imagine that you will need to pay a gate pass in addition to the price cap.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
It's not difficult to imagine that you will need to pay a gate pass in addition to the price cap.
"stupid_girl"
...which is in turn handled by the card system.

But the fare structure is still broken anyway.
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
...which is in turn handled by the card system.

But the fare structure is still broken anyway.
Watson374

Indeed, can just see the masses complaining now when the find the "free" travel after the various caps are reached, doesnt include the Airports.
Call me cynical this hasn't been mentioned by Gladys yet, must be only promoting the good points of the card.
  abesty1 Chief Commissioner

Location: The CityRail Network
Ten news report on start of train trial:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xBEoZgny9o&feature=youtu.be
  abesty1 Chief Commissioner
  Silver S Set Junior Train Controller

Of course Gladys wouldn't say the down sides, no-one does.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Just for laughs, I used it on a Wynyard-Central trip today. The gate response time is rubbish. In the full second it takes for the gate to acknowledge that I've touched in/out, I have to stop, and that will have a severe effect on the flow through the ticket barriers.

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