Melbourne Underground Rail Loop

 
  Rocket Deputy Commissioner

... as we want as many people going to work in large buildings with a station in the basement as possible. 8)
"Revenue"
So does that mean it could be feasible to put in an underground link between RMIT and Melbourne Central station? ;)It'd remove a lot of the pedestrian congestion from the shopping centre and the Swanston/Latrobe Streets corner - even though myself and others use the Latrobe Street entrance to the station it seems that the majority "prefer" taking the long way! Alternatively you could put some escalators off Swanston Street... err... bit of deja vu there. It doesn't seem likely that GPT would want to give up their lease on the former escalator shaft though - unless you find a way to put Coles and Jeans West in the spaces formerly occupied by such renowned businesses as "Royal Donuts" and "Cactus Jack's cantina"... Razz
"jamesholt"


On my regular travels to Japan I have never ceased to be amazed at the underground connections full of shops and restaurants.  Pick a major railway station in Japan on Google maps then zoom in until you see the pink shading appear. That's the underground walkways and shops. The only restrictions to building them are money.

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  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
I wonder if the rest of the photos are available from the Public Records Office...
"chomper"

Pretty much everything is: you just need to track down in which collection they are located in, then visit their reading room to check them out:
http://access.prov.vic.gov.au/
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
ps - as for the Parliament escalators, they're installed at the maximum incline angle possible for an escalator.
"davesvline"

I'm not sure of the exact angle of the escalators there, but I always assumed escalators everywhere had the same incline angle.

But this book suggests different:
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=jMRc3Sy8qakC&pg=PT271&lpg=PT271&dq=escalator+incline&source=bl&ots=k1PkrVseG9&sig=2fGtyQmw-xYoaRx7TWwxKvoWmgA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Q9aYUOfIBuy0iQe0y4H4Cw&ved=0CHAQ6AEwCQ

The normal angle of an escalators is 30 degrees by design.
The 27.3 degree incline is designed to run parallel to and in line with stairwells.
The 35 degree escalator is designed to take up less space, but is usually limited to 6 metres of rise and 0.5 metres/sec.
  LamontCranston Chief Commissioner

... as we want as many people going to work in large buildings with a station in the basement as possible. 8)
"Revenue"
So does that mean it could be feasible to put in an underground link between RMIT and Melbourne Central station? ;)It'd remove a lot of the pedestrian congestion from the shopping centre and the Swanston/Latrobe Streets corner - even though myself and others use the Latrobe Street entrance to the station it seems that the majority "prefer" taking the long way! Alternatively you could put some escalators off Swanston Street... err... bit of deja vu there. It doesn't seem likely that GPT would want to give up their lease on the former escalator shaft though - unless you find a way to put Coles and Jeans West in the spaces formerly occupied by such renowned businesses as "Royal Donuts" and "Cactus Jack's cantina"... Razz
"jamesholt"


On my regular travels to Japan I have never ceased to be amazed at the underground connections full of shops and restaurants. Pick a major railway station in Japan on Google maps then zoom in until you see the pink shading appear. That's the underground walkways and shops. The only restrictions to building them are money.
"Rocket"

So you mean another Campbell Arcade? Since its a local example of that very thing.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
ps - as for the Parliament escalators, they're installed at the maximum incline angle possible for an escalator.
"davesvline"

I'm not sure of the exact angle of the escalators there, but I always assumed escalators everywhere had the same incline angle.

But this book suggests different:
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=jMRc3Sy8qakC&pg=PT271&lpg=PT271&dq=escalator+incline&source=bl&ots=k1PkrVseG9&sig=2fGtyQmw-xYoaRx7TWwxKvoWmgA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Q9aYUOfIBuy0iQe0y4H4Cw&ved=0CHAQ6AEwCQ

The normal angle of an escalators is 30 degrees by design.
The 27.3 degree incline is designed to run parallel to and in line with stairwells.
The 35 degree escalator is designed to take up less space, but is usually limited to 6 metres of rise and 0.5 metres/sec.
"wongm"


The escalators at Parliament are installed at 30 degrees.
However due to the length of them (concourse to platforms 1 and 2), it looks like they're more than 30 degrees, but they're not. They are infact doing 0.75m/s, and not a normal 0.5m/s, due to the length of them. This is speed adjustable for peak / off peak times, as anyone who's been there at varying times of the day may have observed. Recently all underground stations escalators had VF drives installed, in conjunction with component chaneovers due to age, and the use they get.

Of particular note is the metal picture boxes at Parliament between each of the escalators showing various shots of inside Parliament house. These were installed some months after the escalators were commisioned, because due to the length of these ones coupled with being in a long tunnel, some people were getting vertigo and leaning forward and falling over on them  Shocked.
The picture boxes provide a horizontal reference for people to look at (which must somehow subconsciously avoid vertigo). What exaserbates this with the Parliament ones is the fact that they're so long, coupled with enclosed space between the 3 escalators. Normally escalators aren't enclosed between pairs of them, and if they are, they're shorter in length or not in a tunnel. That environment provides users with something else to look at aroung the escalator (ie in a shopping centre), hence no vertigo.

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  Amraks Junior Train Controller

I'm going to monk out here.

Do them escalators get a disinfected on them from a tray underneath?

Imagines the filth on some peoples hands lol.

sorry had to ask.
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I'm going to monk out here.

Do them escalators get a disinfected on them from a tray underneath?

Imagines the filth on some peoples hands lol.

sorry had to ask.
"Amraks"


I don't know if I've ever seen it done on the escalators in the city loop but I've seen cleaners with rags, apply some cleaning solution to the rag then wrap the rag around the handrail for a period of time, which effectively cleans it while the escalator is on.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
An escalator at a 30 degree angle is a breeze after you have ridden those at some of the Metro stations in Prague - 45 degrees (old Russian design no doubt) nearly 100m long and fast enough to scare the whatsit out of you when you trot onto one with a suitcase in tow, not realising angle and speed. Some of the stations there are deep underground.
  Tribitaka Station Master

I usually do not take notice of station looks, whilst Melbourne is no comparison to the masterpieces that are Singapore etc., however, the stations in the network are usually relatively clean with the exception of maybe mud on a rainy day.

But in the underground loop, the stations seems to be looking more old and used every single day. It seems as if not one effort as been made to clean or improve them apart from the occasionally floor scrub.
Considering these are the terminus of majority of people's journeys and are the flagships of the network I would have thought some extra effort would be taken!

Has there been any plans to overhaul the stations cleaning wise, or even revamp the 30 year old stations?

Even new floors like those of Southern Cross would be fantastic to improve on the slippery second grade tiles and laminate!
  ChoooChoo Chief Train Controller

I couldn't agree more.

It's fortunate that we don't see graffiti etc plaguing the loop stations (sure, it does happen but they do a good job of removing it).

So the fact they can't then invest a few thousand dollars into just cleaning the walls, escalators, fresh coat of paint really makes the stations seem older and dirtier then they need to be.

A fresh coat of paint would do wonders.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Probably on the list after Flinders Street and we all know how long that has been waiting.......
  712M Chief Commissioner

Dandenong actually got a repaint quite recently. It certainly takes years off the previously filthy station despite being only 17 years old
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

Dandenong actually got a repaint quite recently. It certainly takes years off the previously filthy station despite being only 17 years old
712M
Regarding Dandenong, the old pedestrian subway, what became of it? I noticed recently a hatch in the middle of the steel face below the coping on platform 3, immediately above the old subway.
Any clues?
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Regarding Dandenong, the old pedestrian subway, what became of it? I noticed recently a hatch in the middle of the steel face below the coping on platform 3, immediately above the old subway.
Any clues?
Bullucked
Transformed into a dungeon for use by PSO's to store detained scroats, bogans, etc?
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Dandenong actually got a repaint quite recently. It certainly takes years off the previously filthy station despite being only 17 years old
712M
Yeah I noticed a couple of guys repainting Dandenong over a period of three or four weeks - but like other station repainting exercises, they haven't finished! To be nitpick, some of the yellow columns are still faded, and they obviously had problems trying to shut down the bus loop long enough to paint the over bridge. Still, on the parts that they did paint, it looks good. Not sure about the colour scheme but fresh paint does wonders. Might actually work on some City loop stations too.

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