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      mattylovestrains Train Controller

    This is where to post unusual tram sightings. In case you don't know what I mean by an "unusual tram sighting", here are a few things that qualify as unusual

    1. A type of tram running on a route it doesn't normally run on (see below for details)
    2. Trams testing on an unusual route
    3. An unusual amount of a certain tram on a route. Example Route 109 (Box Hill to Port Melbourne) Normally has one or two A2s, so seeing four or more A2s on route 109 is unusual.
    4. A tram in a foreign depot (e.g a Z-class at Camberwell depot)

    Which routes trams run on
    1: Z3, B2
    3: Z1/3, A1, B2
    3a: Z1/3, A1, B2
    5: Z1/2/3, D1
    6: Z1/2/3, D1
    8: Z1/2/3, B2, D1
    11: A1, B1/2, E
    12: A1/2
    16: Z1/2/3, D1
    19: B2, D2
    30: A1/2
    35: W
    48: A2, C
    55: Z3, B2
    57: Z3
    59: B2
    64: Z1/3, A1, B2
    67: Z1/3, A1, B2
    70: A2, B2
    72: Z1/2/3, D1
    75: A2, B2
    78: Z1/3, A1
    82: Z3
    86: B1/2
    96: C2, E
    109: A2, C

    Extra services:
    57a: B2, D2
    70a: B2, C, D1
    75a: B2, C, D2

    Last edited 20th June, 2015:
    - Removed Z2 references on Glenhuntly routes due to the withdrawal of Z2.113
    - Removed W class reference on route 30 and removed "occasionally" from route 30 A class reference
    - Added E class reference to route 11
    - Removed D2 reference from route 96
    Posted: 16 Jun 2013 20:31

    Last edited by mattylovestrains on 20 Jun 2015 20:55; edited 7 times in total

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      Polar Tiger Chief Commissioner

    Location: FL390
    Does the D2 restriction on the route 72 still apply now that the Gardiner catchpoints have been removed?
    Posted: 17 Jun 2013 11:13
      Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

    Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
    Route 33?

    Does this refer to the Vic Market - South Melbourne shuttles?  Those are not assigned a number (though might nowadays carry 55a) but approximate to the former route 33 in the days when peak trams from the south ran City - William Street services.  Those shunted at Peel Street not at Haymarket.
    Posted: 17 Jun 2013 11:37
      mattylovestrains Train Controller

    Route 33?

    Does this refer to the Vic Market - South Melbourne shuttles?  Those are not assigned a number (though might nowadays carry 55a) but approximate to the former route 33 in the days when peak trams from the south ran City - William Street services.  Those shunted at Peel Street not at Haymarket.
    Gwiwer

    Yes, I think you're right.


    About the D2 restriction on route 72, I'll do some more research.
    Posted: 17 Jun 2013 17:43
      themetptc Train Controller

    Location: Ballarat
    Yes, I think you're right.


    About the D2 restriction on route 72, I'll do some more research.
    mattylovestrains

    The D2s are and were quite capable physically of running on the route 72, including through Gardiner crossing, they are no different to a D1 in that respect.  The problem was the short islands in the overpass of the nearby freeway, meaning if they had to stop there they would block traffic lanes entering or exiting the freeway ramps because of the D2s nice long length.

    BTW there is 1 D2 always allocated to Malvern, primarily for the 16 but occassionally on the 8.  Other or extra D2s do sometimes operate as well if they are at Malvern for maintenance from Southbank but are needed for service, or if they are required for testing on/or able to be on short runs prior to or post maintenance.

    Sim.
    Posted: 17 Jun 2013 19:53
      ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne, Victoria
    Perhaps not that unusual after all, but I thought I might post is anyway. Just sighted D2.5018 on route 8 at Melbourne University.
    Posted: 18 Jun 2013 17:03
      mattylovestrains Train Controller

    Perhaps not that unusual after all, but I thought I might post is anyway. Just sighted D2.5018 on route 8 at Melbourne University.
    "ElliotProvis"

    Meanwhile, on another Malvern route, D2.5008 is running on route 16.
    Posted: 18 Jun 2013 21:28
      scrat Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Fitzroy North
    I very much doubt any of the rebuilt Ws (W8s) will run any revenue service, they aren't fitted with myki devices.

    Liam.
    Posted: 19 Jun 2013 23:31
      mattylovestrains Train Controller

    I very much doubt any of the rebuilt Ws (W8s) will run any revenue service, they aren't fitted with myki devices.

    Liam.
    scrat

    Why would they have not put Myki machines in the tram?
    Posted: 20 Jun 2013 18:59
      connexwest Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Waiting for the World's Biggest Divvy Van
    Why would they have not put Myki machines in the tram?
    mattylovestrains

    Because they're being refurbished/rebuilt sorely for use on service on the City Circus
    Posted: 20 Jun 2013 20:51
      Tribitaka Station Master

    Thank you for the extensive list!

    Will the new E class trams be able to run the 86 route? The platform stops further north are not much longer than the current B1/B2 trams!
    Posted: 21 Jun 2013 21:07

    Last edited by Tribitaka on 21 Jun 2013 21:09; edited 1 time in total
      mattylovestrains Train Controller

    Thank you for the extensive list!

    Will the new E class trams be able to run the 86 route? The platform stops further north are not much longer than the current B1/B2 trams!
    Tribitaka

    Haven't been to that part of route 86, so I'm not sure.

    On another note, I saw a W class running on Spencer Street.
    Posted: 21 Jun 2013 21:30
      connexwest Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Waiting for the World's Biggest Divvy Van
    Thank you for the extensive list!

    Will the new E class trams be able to run the 86 route? The platform stops further north are not much longer than the current B1/B2 trams!
    Tribitaka

    Physically I believe they should be able to- problems may occur at the Gertrude/Smith Streets corners, but other then that I don't believe there are any physical restrictions stopping them from working the 86.

    If it were to ever happen in revenue service, I doubt it'll be anytime soon.
    Posted: 21 Jun 2013 22:07
      scrat Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Fitzroy North
    Physically I believe they should be able to- problems may occur at the Gertrude/Smith Streets corners, but other then that I don't believe there are any physical restrictions stopping them from working the 86.

    If it were to ever happen in revenue service, I doubt it'll be anytime soon.
    connexwest
    Yes, Es will be able to operate on route 86, they have been designed to operate system wide (hopefully). The corner at Gertrude and Smith is currently being relaid.

    Regarding W8s, they don't have myki equipment as they are designed for tourist operation, not revenue. Ws often travel along Spencer Street, running in or out.

    Liam.
    Posted: 21 Jun 2013 23:46
      Myrtone Chief Commissioner

    Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
    Are platforms being added as part of the relaying?
    Posted: 22 Jun 2013 00:20
      scrat Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Fitzroy North
    Are platforms being added as part of the relaying?
    Myrtone
    I don't think so, just track work.

    Liam.
    Posted: 22 Jun 2013 17:56
      Tribitaka Station Master

    According to Google Earth's ruler tool, the platform stops along route 86 on Plenty Road are between 27-29m. While the E class (33.5m) will not fit on the platform fully, all its doors including the drivers will, if a section of a few meters is left overshooting on the platform stop.

    When I did attend tertiary education along Plenty Road I would quite often catch the tram in situations where my car was un-accesable, there was roadworks or a crash etc. and I find that while around 70-90% of seats are always taken, there is never anyone standing up (bar the occasional afternoon peak). Majority of travellers use it to get to various locations along the line, or to tertiary education (which varies immensely in times, so there is never extremely large amounts on the tram at once) and people who need to get into the CBD use nearby South Morang or Hurstbridge train lines, this is different to that of routes in St Kilda and to the north east where heavy rail is in shortage.

    I simply do not see the need for such a large tram on this route like suggested in previous reports. The passenger load is spread across the day and it would better off being used elsewhere (like the 96.)
    Posted: 25 Jun 2013 23:52
      scrat Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Fitzroy North
    According to Google Earth's ruler tool, the platform stops along route 86 on Plenty Road are between 27-29m. While the E class (33.5m) will not fit on the platform fully, all its doors including the drivers will, if a section of a few meters is left overshooting on the platform stop.

    When I did attend tertiary education along Plenty Road I would quite often catch the tram in situations where my car was un-accesable, there was roadworks or a crash etc. and I find that while around 70-90% of seats are always taken, there is never anyone standing up (bar the occasional afternoon peak). Majority of travellers use it to get to various locations along the line, or to tertiary education (which varies immensely in times, so there is never extremely large amounts on the tram at once) and people who need to get into the CBD use nearby South Morang or Hurstbridge train lines, this is different to that of routes in St Kilda and to the north east where heavy rail is in shortage.

    I simply do not see the need for such a large tram on this route like suggested in previous reports. The passenger load is spread across the day and it would better off being used elsewhere (like the 96.)
    Tribitaka
    The Es have all doors in the middle of the vehicle to allow them to use older, smaller platform stops, they will easily fit at ~27 metre stops. Route 86 is one of the most heavily patronised routes on the network, an article in The Age in 2011 listed route 86 at 44,200 passengers per day and route 96 at 39,700 passengers, per day. I would hazard a guess that your experiences travelling contra flow to (presumably) La Trobe University are not typical of peak hour workers travelling into the city. Either way, the first Es will go onto route 96, displacing D2s to Brunswick for use on 19, with Es exceeding the 25 required for route 96 to go to East Preston.

    Liam.
    Posted: 26 Jun 2013 04:31
      mattylovestrains Train Controller

    I saw a C class on Flinders Street.
    Posted: 05 Jul 2013 17:58
      Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

    I am pretty sure I have seen a D2 running the 109 at least once.
    Posted: 11 Jul 2013 19:16
      mattylovestrains Train Controller

    I am pretty sure I have seen a D2 running the 109 at least once.
    Mr. Lane

    Probably from back when 109 was shared between Kew and Southbank.
    Posted: 11 Jul 2013 20:23
      connexwest Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Waiting for the World's Biggest Divvy Van
    I am pretty sure I have seen a D2 running the 109 at least once.
    Mr. Lane

    Was it in the city are? Southbank runs additional cruise ship shuttles showing 109- 101 Collins St when there's a big ship in town
    Posted: 11 Jul 2013 21:23
      mattylovestrains Train Controller

    Here's an unusual one I caught A2.286 on route 30 today. Never seen anything but a W class on route 30 before.
    Posted: 12 Jul 2013 19:23
      Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

    The D2 sightings on the 109 were within the city area around Spring Street, so they may indeed have been shuttles.

    The A class can be found on the 30 every now and then.
    Posted: 13 Jul 2013 14:32
      Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
    At about 0515 this morning I spotted D2.5003 out of service, heading north up Smith St in Fitzroy/ Collingwood. Most likely would have been heading to Preston Workshops.

    Also, regarding D2s running the 8, do they have any issues terminating D2s at Toorak Rd/ Glenferrie Rd? There doesn't seem to be enough room for a D2 to pull into the terminus there without one end of the tram being stuck around the curves and in the middle of the intersection.
    Posted: 23 Jul 2013 18:37

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