Is the Port theirs to sell anyway?
If its a public assett isn't there going to be shortfalls elsewhere when the money dries up?
Is the Port theirs to sell anyway?NOOO!!
Would building an interchange (ie. Intercity, regional, country, light rail, bus.) at Woodville Junction be better than Wickham or Broadmeadow?They already have one, it's [size=2]here on maps[/size].
After all, he is only the Mayor and no one in local government would be let into the inner circle of the big decision makersOh no?? Read on
I know I'm late to the party, but I just came across this unbelievable thread. How could anyone possibly think this was a good idea? The people responsible are as incompetent as they comeThe simple factor of money. If some greedy developers or politicians can get some valuable land to make the money, and all they have to do is pretend the rail line isnt needed, they will do so. And then they can enjoy their filthy money whilst the general public suffer from lack of descent public transport.
"Mr McCloy dismissed concerns that moving the rail line would free up the existing corridor for development, saying he wanted it left "for green or recreational use"BULL, we all what he (& his GPT mates) are after. If that McCloy is not after the rail land still, then why is the last part "for green or recreational use" in quotes?
That website(http://saveourrail.org.au/?p=648) put it brilliantly. The useless liberals have no plan for the transport interchange. All they want is to sell the biggest coal port in the world so they can get their money, and all they have to do is make stupid false promises about light rail and buses, (which are useless ideas anyway). Newcastle would be far better of with the basic suggestions listed:The whole problem comes back to the aspect of "What is in the CBD to attract people?"". I am all for the retention of the line as I have stated often enough however I would actually question some of those suggestions as to their real viability.
- The express "Newcastle Flyer" to Sydney
- The "Cessnock Express" to Cessnock
- The link to newcastle Airport and Port Stephens
- Links to Scone and out west
- Links to Taree and points North
With all these very good suggestions , Newcastle could become the next great station. It is after all, a beautiful, historic station as it is, and to lose it would be absolutely devastating.
I am sorry if I sound negative but they are real aspects that need to be dealt withYour views are appreciated and you do make some valuable comments.
The Flier is probably a great idea & I would endorse that especially if it had minimal stops along the routeIf the flyer was implemented in this way it could bring about a desire to use the train between the two cities. Everybody for this idea knows it has to be minimal stops (Central-Strafield-Epping-Hornsby-Gosford-Wyong-Fassifern-Broadmeadow-Newcastle), which could potentially see much higher patronage.
Certainly the CBD needs revitalizing, but what with or what can be done to bring people back there?
Your views are appreciated and you do make some valuable comments.Thanks for the comments.
Rail is always going to compete with roads, and it is that which means rail must seek to become more competitive. Rail will probably remain a much faster way in and out of the CBD, due to the tiny roads and congestion.
If the flyer was implemented in this way it could bring about a desire to use the train between the two cities. Everybody for this idea knows it has to be minimal stops (Central-Strafield-Epping-Hornsby-Gosford-Wyong-Fassifern-Broadmeadow-Newcastle), which could potentially see much higher patronage.
The CBD does really need to be revitalized, and once that happens Newcastle may become great again.
Thanks for the comments. Rail will always compete with any other means of getting from here to there & back again, & for most its the sheer element of convenience as well as time taken in travel. On both counts rail has benefits as well as demerits. The thing is that roads are having untold of sums of money thrown at them & until petrol reaches the point of only being affordable for necessity use, it will in the main be the main means of transit, especially over certain distances & locations, even when there is an attraction at the other end. I pondered deeply about Fassifern as a stop for the flier, & being honest I wonder how many passages really use the services there, its the reason I have the flier stopping only at main stations, & even cutting BMD out of the equation as an all stations service could readily run prior to the flier service & as I said go into Wyong #1 Platform & allow passengers to change to the flier there. The flier could readily run down the stopper with an arrival scheduled with a 3 minute departure after the stopping at Wyong. The only reason I include Epping in the fliers stops is because of the Macquarie line, but again I think that if a Macquarie line train was to immediately follow the flier ex Hornsby departing from the opposite platform that the flier arrives at would provide a better service that the flier is intended to provide. The feature point of the flier is by definition of its name, & that is fast & limited stops, that is how the flier always was seen as, (prior to becoming just another short north commuter train). If the concept is to work then its best allowed to perform to its potential, & even to the point of having only 3 services each direction per day, with the first up service intended for those who work in Sydney, & the last evening service as their commute home. In fact, I would even go as far as to make the service open for booked seats especially those two trains, & offer long term rates for it as well. I also would contend that one weekends that the service could be a tourist driven train starting with the morning down flier & afternoon return service, & dare I open up the worm can & say it could well be used as loco hauled service & if steam involved an ideal for training & continued means of gaining & retaining experience. I am also of the belief that the train that stops all stations from NCLE - Gosford should then be a limited stop from GosfordVery well put my friend, people on Railpage would make better transport ministers than we've ever had.
So what is the problem? They are planning to remove the under utilised heavy rail system and replace it with a light rail system on the same alignment. The hub of Newcastle should now be Brioadmeadow, not the end of a branch line out in the middle of nowhere
I dont think an extra 10 mins of travel time will kill anyone