Static Grass 2

 
  Indefatigable Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Using static grass at the moment and want to know if any of you out there who have used it can advise what I need to do to "stack" the grass on top of itself?

So far I've brushed the glue onto the surface and laid the darker base coat of 2mm static grass using the Noch applicator. Do I need to re-apply a coat of glue or some form of adhesive spray to get the next layer of grass to stand on top of the base layer?

Cheers,
Ben

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  MUDCRABS Chief Train Controller

Location: Penrith Station (The Garage)
Good question, I need to know that also.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
When you say "Noch applicator" do you mean the little puff bottle (cost maybe $10) or the electrostic applicator (cost $200+)
  andrewstrains Assistant Commissioner

Location: Townsville, Where else but QLD
To get longer static grass I think you will find you need to purchase longer static grass, ie it comes in different lenghts. I currently have 2mm, 4mm and 6mm varieties.
So far you are on the right track but you will need the other lenghts of grass.

Andrew
  roy66 Junior Train Controller

I did a small test patch using hair spray as glue on top of the first layer. Works ok however I don't know how well it will hold up over time.
Cheers Steve.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
I did a small test patch using hair spray as glue on top of the first layer. Works ok however I don't know how well it will hold up over time.
Cheers Steve.
"roy66"


10yrs ago I did a similar thing with fibres straight from a woodland scenics container, using diluated white glue sprayed over the first layer. It's still holding as strong as ever.

Applying a second layer of fibres over the top of the first layer gives a different effect to using mixed fibre lengths applied all at the same time. Here's an example from my first attempts, note how the grass has given a full coverage but isn't all just standing up. If I'd used the electrostatic applicator it would have given a totally different effect.

[bigimg]http://mstrange.customer.netspace.net.au/images/PoathJunction13.JPG[/bigimg]

This "how to" pdf from scenic express is worth a look as it covers some of the basics of static grass.
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
Vary the lengths with 2mm, 4mm and 6mm.  What you can also try is using 2mm at the back of a scene to create some distance perspective.
  Indefatigable Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Thanks everyone for your replies. I'm using the Noch electrostatic applicator (advantages of $AUD/$US parity!) with 2mm and 4mm grass.

To give you an idea of where I'm up to, I've added the below pic:



I've purposely used a colour that is too green for my liking at this stage, with the intent of toning it down by laying a yellow/autumn tone over the top.

At this stage it looks a bit like your photo Poath Junction, and I think that's because I held the electrostatic applicator too high off the grass (should 1-2"), meaning the strands didn't receive the 'charge.' When I get some more time in the next few days I'm going to have a play around with the hairspray idea on some spare board, but keep your thoughts/ideas coming!

Cheers
Ben
  railmod Chief Train Controller

Ben,

You may want to look at Ray P's Bylong layout blog- he has a small discussion on grass etc :- http://bylong.blogspot.com/2009/05/cows-and-grass.html

Hope it's of some use.

Cheers ALex...
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
These two movies show what should happen when a grassmaster (or home built imitation) is used. It can be a bit tricky getting the grassmaster into tight spots like mountain areas, which is why they've invented an adapter that allows grass to be placed in a much smaller area. Don't forget the all important grounding pin in your scenery!



  Indefatigable Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Had a play around with some colours on a spare piece of foam this weekend and found the colour I was after.

The "colour chart":



Made a blend of 2mm greens and then went over it lightly with hairspray followed by a blend of silflor 2mm autumn and woodlands scenics "wild honey" prarie grass.

The finished product:



I've added some silflor tufts and weeds and I'm quite pleased with the outcome.

Thanks to all for your input and Andrew of Bowen Creek for additional advice.

Cheers,
Ben
  anzac1959 Chief Commissioner

Im after 6mm static grass a brown dry grass blend does anyone in Sydney sell this stuff .Ive made an applicator out of one of the bug zappers. Has anyone made one, and have you tried it with a 9v battery.Would it increase the units power to stand up fibres better?
TIA anzac 
  a6et Minister for Railways

Im after 6mm static grass a brown dry grass blend does anyone in Sydney sell this stuff .Ive made an applicator out of one of the bug zappers. Has anyone made one, and have you tried it with a 9v battery.Would it increase the units power to stand up fibres better?
TIA anzac 
"anzac1959"


Check MRRC at Blacktown they sell Bachmann brand as well, & it has an excellent dry colour suitable very much for rural scenes.

When wetting the area, I use a mix of Matte Medium as it dries totally clear & no hint of a waxy type appearance that can happen using PVA. Also add some detergent or Rubbing alchohol to the mix as it helps a lot.

Depending on the affect you want, you can add any length of the static grass & mix them up, as it brings out layered grass levels.  A very nice top coating is Winter Grass it looks too white or grey in the bag but when applied it gives a nice dry grass apperance.

One thing with this is that you can't go wrong with experimenting, the only that may happen is if you choose the wrong greens, as some of them appearing these days are more suitable for overseas such as the US. I got caught with one, which looked not too bad in the shop but when I got it home in the different light its not really suitable for any grass that I have seen, wild or even lawn colours. 
  Bigwato Chief Commissioner

Location: Craigieburn Victoria
I did this just go to you tube and type in Make a static Grass applicator with an electric fly swatter, seeing as this tupid new Railpage won't allow me to paste the link here. I built one it cost $7 $5 for the swat 1nd $2 for the metal sieve check it out!
  a6et Minister for Railways

I did this just go to you tube and type in Make a static Grass applicator with an electric fly swatter, seeing as this tupid new Railpage Australia™ won't allow me to paste the link here. I built one it cost $7 $5 for the swat 1nd $2 for the metal sieve check it out!
"Bigwato"


I have not had any problems posting links in the new setup. So far I guess. 
  MUDCRABS Chief Train Controller

Location: Penrith Station (The Garage)
My mate made me one for $35.. works a treat.

Power is an old phone charger, PVC pipe, an ironiser off the net, bit of mesh and a 20c plastic container

  Indefatigable Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Been having some trouble with my Noch Grasmaster. I apply the glue to the area I'm working on, insert a pin and clip the alligator clip to it, and when the device is on the grass comes out, but isn't standing up. I'm not hearing the characteristic, quiet, "flick" that you get when each of the fibres hits the ground either.

I'm after your ideas to troubleshoot this. Have any of your ever had this issue? I don't think the grass glue ever goes "off," and would it  be fairly obvious if the ioniser was broken.

Help!

Cheers,
Ben
  anzac1959 Chief Commissioner

Been having some trouble with my Noch Grasmaster. I apply the glue to the area I'm working on, insert a pin and clip the alligator clip to it, and when the device is on the grass comes out, but isn't standing up. I'm not hearing the characteristic, quiet, "flick" that you get when each of the fibres hits the ground either.

I'm after your ideas to troubleshoot this. Have any of your ever had this issue? I don't think the grass glue ever goes "off," and would it  be fairly obvious if the ioniser was broken.

Help!

Cheers,
Ben
Indefatigable

Flat Battery maybe , turn on unit ,holding plastic covering of alligator clip bring it to the metal sieve and their should be a loud crack sound and a blue static flash. If there isn't its either a flat battery or a dead unit . Something else could be holding sieve too far away from the glue.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Flat Battery maybe , turn on unit ,holding plastic covering of alligator clip bring it to the metal sieve and their should be a loud crack sound and a blue static flash. If there isn't its either a flat battery or a dead unit . Something else could be holding sieve too far away from the glue.
anzac1959
If nothing happens as a result of this test as suggested by Anzac, make sure the pin or nail is secure in a wet area then turn it on, then off, & touch the pin that is in the wet area, which by rights should give a good static discharge, if none then replace the battery.

If still dead it may mean some other issue, & if a replacement is needed check out alternatives first especially the local version, much better price & works a treat.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Aussie-Scenics-Static-Grass-Flock-Applicator-2-Starter-Bags-WSSGA-2-/151068347179?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Model_Railways&hash=item232c600b2b
  danpickard Junior Train Controller

Location: Geelong
Speaking of Aussie Scenics, anyone know whats up with this business???

There was a recent good plug for this static grass applicator on a US based forum (by a modeller I respect) and I had previously heard of the product, so went ahead and purchased.  Mine turned up ok, luckily enough for me perhaps.  However, perhaps as a result of the forum report on the product, there have been a number of other buyers, but they are yet to receive their product, or any further email/Facebook responses to the update on their missing order.  Kind of frustrating when you go and give a local product a good wrap, only to have the product supply go sour.  The Aussie Scenics ebay store is now empty of items, but the same product being sold through a different store (?same store but change of name, due to some bad feedback, who knows???).  Multiple postings on the Facebook page (which seemed to be the main web front at the time), have all gone unanswered.  Also a bit disappointing because the product and static fibre range was quite good.

Dan Pickard
  a6et Minister for Railways

Speaking of Aussie Scenics, anyone know whats up with this business???

There was a recent good plug for this static grass applicator on a US based forum (by a modeller I respect) and I had previously heard of the product, so went ahead and purchased.  Mine turned up ok, luckily enough for me perhaps.  However, perhaps as a result of the forum report on the product, there have been a number of other buyers, but they are yet to receive their product, or any further email/Facebook responses to the update on their missing order.  Kind of frustrating when you go and give a local product a good wrap, only to have the product supply go sour.  The Aussie Scenics ebay store is now empty of items, but the same product being sold through a different store (?same store but change of name, due to some bad feedback, who knows???).  Multiple postings on the Facebook page (which seemed to be the main web front at the time), have all gone unanswered.  Also a bit disappointing because the product and static fibre range was quite good.

Dan Pickard
danpickard
I have used the products from Aussie Scenics for some time now, & certainly have had absolutely no issues in contact from & to the business, on the score of how I have found him I have given a plug for the business to quite a few modellers, resulting in them buying the grass applicator & other items from them. As it is, I have not purchased anything from the store for some few months now so if there is anyone having problems it is news to me.

How long has the problem existed for buyers from Aussie Scenics & how many are affected by I say above very much news to me of any problems although looking at the link, which is what I had bookmarked for future use & reference, the site has certainly changed & the owner has expanded the business away from just the scenery area.  I doubt then that he would be still trading through Ebay if there were problems especially if Ebay were informed of unfilled orders.

Edit in.  I just checked the Ebay site for Aussie Scenics & the products are sold through another frontage, namely Somerset Models, I also checked the feedback score through my account & ebay site, & it still shows a 100% feedback rating, it also shows he has been a member of Ebay since July 2004 & the rating covers that whole period & as its near 9 years in business I think its fair to say that he has a respected record.  Maybe he is going through transition to the new store front or some other aspect that is causing some delays, I think the business does deserve a benefit of the doubt for the time being.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
he has been on Railpage, try a PM to him......

David
  Laser Rail Bits Locomotive Driver

Location: Goulburn NSW
I have used the products from Aussie Scenics for some time now, & certainly have had absolutely no issues in contact from & to the business, on the score of how I have found him I have given a plug for the business to quite a few modellers, resulting in them buying the grass applicator & other items from them. As it is, I have not purchased anything from the store for some few months now so if there is anyone having problems it is news to me.

How long has the problem existed for buyers from Aussie Scenics & how many are affected by I say above very much news to me of any problems although looking at the link, which is what I had bookmarked for future use & reference, the site has certainly changed & the owner has expanded the business away from just the scenery area.  I doubt then that he would be still trading through Ebay if there were problems especially if Ebay were informed of unfilled orders.

Edit in.  I just checked the Ebay site for Aussie Scenics & the products are sold through another frontage, namely Somerset Models, I also checked the feedback score through my account & ebay site, & it still shows a 100% feedback rating, it also shows he has been a member of Ebay since July 2004 & the rating covers that whole period & as its near 9 years in business I think its fair to say that he has a respected record.  Maybe he is going through transition to the new store front or some other aspect that is causing some delays, I think the business does deserve a benefit of the doubt for the time being.
a6et

All,

Somerset Models has been trading on Ebay for some years and I have dealt with them on some occasions...Are we suggesting that the two entities ( Aussie Scenics and Somerset ) are owned and operated by the same person??? While I have absolutely no idea...it may well be that Somerset have either taken over the range or are the appointed seller of the Aussie Scenics range.  I also have no idea of the magnitude of the issues with Aussie Scenics but could it be something like ill health etc that has seen a ( by all accounts ) good business hit unsteady times....I guess time will unravel the story.
Regards,
Rod
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
All,

Somerset Models has been trading on Ebay for some years and I have dealt with them on some occasions...Are we suggesting that the two entities ( Aussie Scenics and Somerset ) are owned and operated by the same person??? While I have absolutely no idea...it may well be that Somerset have either taken over the range or are the appointed seller of the Aussie Scenics range.  I also have no idea of the magnitude of the issues with Aussie Scenics but could it be something like ill health etc that has seen a ( by all accounts ) good business hit unsteady times....I guess time will unravel the story.
Regards,
Rod
Laser Rail Bits
From the SomerstModels facebook page on 24/2/13: "
We received our first order today from Aussie Scenics, was great catching up with again Tom .... We are now stocking a wide range of Aussie Scenics products which include the Static Grass Applicator, 3-6mm Static Grass in more colour's then you can poke a stick at ....


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  Laser Rail Bits Locomotive Driver

Location: Goulburn NSW
From the SomerstModels facebook page on 24/2/13: "
We received our first order today from Aussie Scenics, was great catching up with again Tom .... We are now stocking a wide range of Aussie Scenics products which include the Static Grass Applicator, 3-6mm Static Grass in more colour's then you can poke a stick at ....


"
Poath Junction
Thanks for that Poath... at least you have cleared up that point...Ah well I guess the Aussie Scenics issue will come to light in time...
Rod

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