DCCSound news

 
  Mansfield Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

The purpose of this thread is to inform the community on Railpage of new projects from Mike and Phil at DCCSound.

To kick things off, DCCSound's first sound project, the Victorian Railways Y class project, has been remastered. The decoder technology has changed since the previous V3.5 decoders, so to suit the capabilities of the ESU LokSound V4.0 decoders, it was time to revisit the original recordings. If you've already purchased a V4.0 decoder from us for your Y class, an update is free of charge (excluding postage where applicable). Sorry, but the older V3.5 decoders cannot be updated as they used a different style of sound architecture.

With the V3.5 decoder, the original Y class project was made to suit the 16 MBit memory, so the original recording was a little abbreviated in the engine sounds, not by a huge amount, but none the less, the transitions between notches were a tad quicker than the prototype. With the V4.0 decoders and their 32 MBit memory, we have been able to go back to the original recordings and include all of the 6-645E soundtrack, with nice long transitions between the notches, smooth roll-offs, as well as a host of other features. Plus we've changed the sound modelling to better simulate the prime mover operation.

Secondly, with Auscision's February release of the NSW 422 class, a 422 has been recorded in full and the sound project is being produced currently, so hopefully it will be out in time for the model's release. The project will feature the RVB 5 chime horn (not the best sounding horn, but it is prototypical), the 16-645E roots blown prime mover, WABCo 26-L brakes, and other sounds. The decoder should be plug and play, via a 21-MTC ESU LokSound V4.0 decoder.

There are two, 12-251 projects for ALCo fans waiting to be produced, once the 422 and VR 280 Walker projects have been completed.

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  Shazam75 Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane





With the V3.5 decoder, the original Y class project was made to suit the 16 MBit memory, so the original recording was a little abbreviated in the engine sounds, not by a huge amount, but none the less, the transitions between notches were a tad quicker than the prototype. With the V4.0 decoders and their 32 MBit memory, we have been able to go back to the original recordings and include all of the 6-645E soundtrack, with nice long transitions between the notches, smooth roll-offs, as well as a host of other features. Plus we've changed the sound modelling to better simulate the prime mover operation.

"Mansfield"


Mike - good to hear about the update to the Y class although I cannot see a Y class loco going past maybe notch 3 or 4 given said loco is mainly on shunt duties.  Don't think we would ever get to notch 8.

Shelton

  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Y class diesel were often used on freight trains on mainlines and branchlines in VR days anyway. You could find anything on some freights back then. On page 11 of the book  VR Diesel Pictoral by John Dare there is a photo of a Down Serviceton fast goods that has the following consist. S307,T382,T374,Y145,Y129,Y148,Y160,Y128 and Y118. So you can see that they were not just shunting locomotives at very low speed, there was a 40mph speed restriction on Y classes at the time. The photo by the way is by John Dare and is dated 16th November 1975. Their are also numerous other photos of Y class locomotives on mainline duties in this book as well.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga







With the V3.5 decoder, the original Y class project was made to suit the 16 MBit memory, so the original recording was a little abbreviated in the engine sounds, not by a huge amount, but none the less, the transitions between notches were a tad quicker than the prototype. With the V4.0 decoders and their 32 MBit memory, we have been able to go back to the original recordings and include all of the 6-645E soundtrack, with nice long transitions between the notches, smooth roll-offs, as well as a host of other features. Plus we've changed the sound modelling to better simulate the prime mover operation.

"Mansfield"


Mike - good to hear about the update to the Y class although I cannot see a Y class loco going past maybe notch 3 or 4 given said loco is mainly on shunt duties. Don't think we would ever get to notch 8.

Shelton

"Shazam75"


Shelton
I am sorry to say, that like a lot of modellers here, you just have no idea Sad
The start with they are Diesel Electrics, and geared (mostly) for slow speeds. This means that when they hauled freight trains they had a maximum speed of 65KPH.
They hauled a Sunbury pass every night out of Spencer Street at 65KPH
They operated many goods train on many lines including all grain haulage from Denni and Balranald north of Echuca before the new bridge was opened.
I used to haul 1400 tonnes with a single Y, but don't ask what the speed was out of NSW into Echuca over the old 15kph restricted bridge with a fully loaded train!
In the SG yards fully loaded trains arrived in South Dynon behind C Class, 81 Class and no matter what its weight a 600HP V/6 Y class would grab hold of it all and haul it back towards the North Melbourne Flyover or the Maribynong bridge and kick it out
I can assure you that Notch 8 was the only way you could do this Smile
Don't feel bad about it, but you were wrong Wink
Cheers
Rod

  Shazam75 Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane

LOL thanks for correcting me Rod.  Yes I was aware that the good old Y's were used for other duties other than shunting, but not as frequently as you have suggested.

Cheers

Shelton

  jd4980 Chief Commissioner

Location: Grafton

I was going to educate our unlearned friend myself earlier by couldn't have been bothered. But "the no idea" call brightened my day a little so thanks Rod will add this to what he has already said. Shunt loco's such as the Y and 73's were and still are the most abused locomotives in any operators fleet. Even in these modern times, 80's and 81's, 48's etc are often expected to shove and drag about in yards more then is reasonable and equally as often i'd reckon, more then a mainline full load on equivelent grades. If your interested enough, go down to the Ridge around midnight and watch the 81 do battle busting up WB3.

http://ddmrc.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=72:teditors-tales-part-6&catid=48:stories&Itemid=68

Ted Freemens memories of shunting Darling Harbour on a 19 class, both to place loading in sidings as required and banking mainline departures, the whip wasn't spared of kettles consigned to working in yards either. Shunt loco's doing it tough isn't just a "modern" phenomenen, always has been, always will be.

  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

yes, those shunting loco had to use notch 8 or full power to move etc, abused is not right, used fully is expected.  

they worked hard, notch 8 is not for full power on a mainline, it is for full  power anywhere.

so to have a y crawling slowly powering fully is right if pushing a decent load.

And DCCsound can simulate that too.

(back on topic)

ask him!

David Head

  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba

http://ddmrc.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=72:teditors-tales-part-6&catid=48:stories&Itemid=68

Ted Freemens memories of shunting Darling Harbour on a 19 class, both to place loading in sidings as required and banking mainline departures, the whip wasn't spared of kettles consigned to working in yards either. Shunt loco's doing it tough isn't just a "modern" phenomenen, always has been, always will be.

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When I saw this reference, I went back via the link and had a read of what I had written, it has been some time since I wrote that article (or multi-part series) and I must say that even I enjoyed reading it again.

Make no mistake about it, the full throttle position was not just relegated to steam locos, In another part of my Teditor's Tales, I make mention of 48 classes on the South Coast passenger runs where we had to pull the throttle to 8 notch before we even released the brakes to run the schedules.

In 'hit-up' situations with a diesel, the same thing would be required, straight into 8 notch, release the independant, kick the wagon/s, shut the throttle and throw on the independant, in a similar (but far more sensitive situation), where a wagon/s had to be dropped from the rear of the loco onto a facing siding, the act would be repeated, shunter/guard waiting on the points, loco into 8 notch, accelerate, shut off, brake so the coupler would bunch up between the loco and first wagon, release the brake and straight back into run 8 to skedaddle out of the way, hopefully clearing the points so they could be set to allow the wagon/s to safely run by.

Eight notch is /was used far more than you would realize.

  Mansfield Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

Re the 422 class from Auscision.

The model comes with sound enclosures. The sound enclosure was designed around ESU's 20x40mm oval speaker. The sound decoder with the 422 sound project will include a 20x40mm ESU LokSound speaker wired to the decoder, so there should be no soldering required on behalf of the user. The relatively large speaker should deliver really good bass response, so all the nice low frequencies can be reproduced. Kudos to the designers for accommodating the fitment of speakers. All the user needs to do is*:

1) Remove 422 shell
2) Remove 21 pin jumper plug from DC board
3) Push on LokSound V4.0 21MTC decoder and place speaker in enclosure
4) Seal perimeter of speaker to enclosure with suitable adhesive, such as Microscale Krystal Klear. This maximises volume and sound quality.
5) Replace shell and readdress loco.

*I reserve the right to the first install!

Wink
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia



Re the 422 class from Auscision.

The model comes with sound enclosures. The sound enclosure was designed around ESU's 20x40mm oval speaker. The sound decoder with the 422 sound project will include a 20x40mm ESU LokSound speaker wired to the decoder, so there should be no soldering required on behalf of the user. The relatively large speaker should deliver really good bass response, so all the nice low frequencies can be reproduced. Kudos to the designers for accommodating the fitment of speakers. All the user needs to do is*:

1) Remove 422 shell
2) Remove 21 pin jumper plug from DC board
3) Push on LokSound V4.0 21MTC decoder and place speaker in enclosure
4) Seal perimeter of speaker to enclosure with suitable adhesive, such as Microscale Krystal Klear. This maximises volume and sound quality.
5) Replace shell and readdress loco.

*I reserve the right to the first install!

Wink
"Mansfield"


Sounds like you and Rochie have a race - he to the first youtube clip wins Wink
Regards,
David Head

  Mansfield Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

While we wait for the 422 to arrive, here's Y164 with the updated 6-645E Y class sounds...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64i_NJsd8AY

  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)





Re the 422 class from Auscision.

The model comes with sound enclosures. The sound enclosure was designed around ESU's 20x40mm oval speaker. The sound decoder with the 422 sound project will include a 20x40mm ESU LokSound speaker wired to the decoder, so there should be no soldering required on behalf of the user. The relatively large speaker should deliver really good bass response, so all the nice low frequencies can be reproduced. Kudos to the designers for accommodating the fitment of speakers. All the user needs to do is*:

1) Remove 422 shell
2) Remove 21 pin jumper plug from DC board
3) Push on LokSound V4.0 21MTC decoder and place speaker in enclosure
4) Seal perimeter of speaker to enclosure with suitable adhesive, such as Microscale Krystal Klear. This maximises volume and sound quality.
5) Replace shell and readdress loco.

*I reserve the right to the first install!

Wink
"Mansfield"


Sounds like you and Rochie have a race - he to the first youtube clip wins Wink
Regards,
David Head

"dthead"


David,

No contest.....my skills haven't yet developed to the point of putting a clip up on to Youtube...I don't even own a smart phone or any other device that I could film such a clip on!! hahaha.

Mansfield,

That is great news and I will be placing an order for 3 such decoder/speaker set-ups as soon as you announce that they are ready for sale!

Cheers

Roachie

  Mansfield Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

While we wait for the Auscision 422s to cruise on in, I just updated my B class installation photos, which were a few years old. Some fresh photos are up for those interested in fitting sound decoders to the A & B class Auscision locos...

http://www.dccsound.com/diesel-installations

Mike

  Mansfield Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

So with the Auscision 422 locos being despatched this week, our sound project is going through final development and will be available in the coming days. Click on the pic of 42206 to see the specifics of the project... http://www.dccsound.com


Mike Smile
  Shazam75 Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane



While we wait for the 422 to arrive, here's Y164 with the updated 6-645E Y class sounds...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64i_NJsd8AY

"Mansfield"


That sounds really good Mike!

Shelton

  Mansfield Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne





While we wait for the 422 to arrive, here's Y164 with the updated 6-645E Y class sounds...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64i_NJsd8AY

"Mansfield"


That sounds really good Mike!

Shelton

"Shazam75"


Thanks Shelton.

I was evaluating the 422 project on a friend's layout yesterday. There is a video on Youtube of a 422 working hard upgrade through Heathcote junction in the 1980s, and in run 8 the model sounds just like the prototype, with a nice staccato note of the exhaust. Coming downgrade, I dropped the throttle to a coast and engaged the dynamics... on they came with that characteritic howling. Of course, the RVB 5 chimes aren't the scariest of horns, but they are authentic. Most importantly, the sound of the horn carries across a large layout and the level is higher than the prime mover. I'm looking forward to seeing these models and will take a video in due course.

  Dazz Deputy Commissioner


There is a video on Youtube of a 422 working hard upgrade through Heathcote junction in the 1980s
"Mansfield"


This one?



http://youtu.be/zhQrcnZooFs

I was lucky as a teenager in the mid to late 1980's to travel between Allawah and Kogarah every day too and from school, and every morning there would be either a 44, 421 or 422 on a morning South Coast passenger service, and the 422's were my favourite at the time.

I had an Athern powered Main West 42220 at that time, and sold it when the Auscision 422's were announced so I'm really looking forward to finally receiving my new 422, and then fitting it with sound.

  Mansfield Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne



There is a video on Youtube of a 422 working hard upgrade through Heathcote junction in the 1980s
"Mansfield"


This one?



http://youtu.be/zhQrcnZooFs

I was lucky as a teenager in the mid to late 1980's to travel between Allawah and Kogarah every day too and from school, and every morning there would be either a 44, 421 or 422 on a morning South Coast passenger service, and the 422's were my favourite at the time.

I had an Athern powered Main West 42220 at that time, and sold it when the Auscision 422's were announced so I'm really looking forward to finally receiving my new 422, and then fitting it with sound.

"Dazz"


Yes, that's the one!

  Black_Ute Station Master

Location: Queanbeyan NSW

Here's another at the same location with 42207 in reverse livery and what looks like a string of 'brand new' XF falcons. Good example of the horn in this clip too.



http://www.youtube.com/embed/Ml_4q2Nz9Sk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen>

  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop

Mansfield,

Is there any advance on the Tulloch DRC / PCH railcar sound project?

Regards,

Catchpoint

  Mansfield Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne



Mansfield,

Is there any advance on the Tulloch DRC / PCH railcar sound project?

Regards,

Catchpoint

"catchpoint"


Does the wind ever stop in Daylesford, I ask? I've recorded the DRC, but need to repeat the recordings as the furry windstopper I had on my mics last time attenuated the sound excessively. So I intend to revisit Daylesford in the coming weeks.

The new Trainbuilder DRC's loop superb IMO.

  Mansfield Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

Forgot to mention the 422 project will be our first sound project to feature "multi-start". What this means is when the prime mover is started up the first time, it will include engine cranking and then firing, but if the PM is subsequently shut down and restarted, it will feature a hot-start or much faster start-up, i.e. known as multi-start, which the Brits have on a few of their UK sound projects. We developed this in the last day or so with the 422 sound recordings, so as soon as my models turn up, hopefully tomorrow, the sound project can go through final validation in the actual model.

Mike

  Mansfield Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Hi all,

I've been keeping low of late, filling orders for 422 class decoders which have proven to be very popular. The VR DRC project is finished off, and a few of the Trainbuilder DRC models have been fitted out with sound.

Here's a pic of the install: http://www.dccsound.com/railmotor-installations

Hopefully we see the VR Walker from Auscision soon as the sound project is now complete for that. I'll just need to sort out how best to package a speaker.

Everyone has been asking about the 44 and 442 ALCo 12-251 projects, and they are being worked on. Plus the 45 class, as recorded from 45s1 will be done too.

A customer's 44 class was recently fitted out with a LokSound decoder, and while waiting to finish the proper sound project, I loaded up the 6-251B from the 48 class to see how it sounded. So I'm committed to the 12-251 now! http://www.dccsound.com/diesel-installations

Mike
  Mansfield Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
An update this month as a few new sound projects become available.

Firstly a couple of ALCo projects... the 44 class from NSW and the 930 from South Australia, as fitted with the 12-251B prime mover.

There's a sample here of the completed files which go into the decoder, with the 44 class WABCo airhorns: http://www.dccsound.com

The 12-251C which will go into the Auscision 45, Austrains 700 and 442 locos is complete and a video will be on Youtube very soon. Perhaps we'll see a few 600 class repaints down the track too.

With the release of TrainO's GM class shortly, I thought it worthwhile to split out all the various sound projects by state, or rather railway, so now there are specific pages for NSW, South Australia and national.

Finally, the VR 280 Walker project is ready to go... just waiting on my model to see how best to fit the largest speaker possible and customise the speaker wire length to suit the model. Hopefully around the middle of this month models will be in hand. Smile

Next up is a 12-251CE project for the NSW 80 class, and then off for a third attempt at a VR K class recording.

Cheers,
Mike
  Mansfield Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

An update this month as a few new sound projects become available.

Firstly a couple of ALCo projects... the 44 class from NSW and the 930 from South Australia, as fitted with the 12-251B prime mover.

There's a sample here of the completed files which go into the decoder, with the 44 class WABCo airhorns: http://www.dccsound.com

The 12-251C which will go into the Auscision 45, Austrains 700 and 442 locos is complete and a video will be on Youtube very soon. Perhaps we'll see a few 600 class repaints down the track too.

With the release of TrainO's GM class shortly, I thought it worthwhile to split out all the various sound projects by state, or rather railway, so now there are specific pages for NSW, South Australia and national.

Finally, the VR 280 Walker project is ready to go... just waiting on my model to see how best to fit the largest speaker possible and customise the speaker wire length to suit the model. Hopefully around the middle of this month models will be in hand. Smile

Next up is a 12-251CE project for the NSW 80 class, and then off for a third attempt at a VR K class recording.

Cheers,
Mike
Mansfield

Edit: AN 700:

http://youtu.be/CNGBX44hTZI

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