COMMUNITY opposition to a proposed $3.5 million underpass at Marion Rail Station from nearby residents has forced a rethink of the plan.
More than 140 residents who rallied at a public meeting on Saturday (July 6) called on the Transport Department to review its plan to replace an existing overpass with a new underpass, as part of the electrification of the Noarlunga train line.
Most of the people at the meeting cited safety and disability access concerns and the felling of dozens of mature trees lining the rail corridor for their opposition.
The meeting was called by Marion ward councillor and Liberal candidate for the state seat of Elder, Carolyn Habib. The underpass would be 4m wide and 30m long, and located 180m north of the existing overpass, near Alison Ave.
One resident told the meeting the underpass would become a haven for "unsavoury" activity.
"What people are concerned about is not only the safety and mobility issues inherent in the design, but the undesireable behaviour that does tend to follow an underpass because of the lack of visibility," the resident said.
Another resident was met with loud applause after arguing the underpass would result in the unnecessary removal of trees.
"Some orginal residents of this area had the foresight to plant these wonderful trees to make it the unique pocket that it is - this proposed design is out of character with this suburb," she said.
Elder MP Patrick Conlon told the meeting he was "undecided" about the plan and he would now ask Transport Minister Tom Koutsantonis to review it.
"I'll ask the Minister to put it on hold," he told the meeting.
After the meeting Transport Department project director Luigi Rossi said the underpass was "the safest option". "(But) ultimately the community will decide what occurs here," he said.
Marion resident Samantha Kerr said she was encouraged by the large turnout.
"But we encourage our neighbours to keep writing letters to our politicians to remind them that many people in Marion have said they don't want an underpass and that we deserve a place at the table," she said.
Are the whinging locals going to come out every school day and monitor the gated LX to ensure school children use it properly? NO!I am sure that Westminster would be happy to include supervision of students using a gated level crossing in their yard duty roster, just as schools all over the state have student monitors and staff supervising student use of signalled road crossings, Emu crossing and Koala crossings.
Wait for the furore when the first child is killed; I pray it is not yours.
Persons can urinate, defecate, lurk, perv and attack persons on bridges just as they can in underpasses.I recall there being a murder in the path southwards from Millswood Station years ago.
The difference with recent bridges is that they have CCTV coverage.
The more I look at the plans shown, the less it makes sense.The ramp from the underpass to the platform is shown at 77 metres (25m taken from the platform) on the new drawing. Assuming they intend to use the steepest gradient at 1 in 14 and the seven level landings shown are the minimum 1.2m length, it works out to a change in elevation of 4.9 metres from the platform to the bottom of the underpass which should be about right - which you could roughly break down into 1m for the platform to rail, 1m from the rail to the underpass ceiling and 2.9m from the ceiling to the floor*.
OK so the tunnel itself is around 2m high, then its got another 1m of concrete/dirt above it, then the ballast/rail above that.
Now compare the length of the ramp for the platform to the two ramps on the adjacent streets. It doesn't add up, the ramps in the side streets are 30m long, but ~1m of platform adds 25m to the length of the central ramp.
The only difference I see between the original and revised plans is that 3 significant trees are saved, at the expense (literally) or removing 25m of concrete platform and earth.
I am sure that Westminster would be happy to include supervision of students using a gated level crossing in their yard duty roster, just as schools all over the state have student monitors and staff supervising student use of signalled road crossings, Emu crossing and Koala crossings.I have made a similar comment in the wheelchair access thread above. Level crossings are the cheapest and most user-friendly means of access to station platforms. An extract from my posting as a user of an electric scooter who can walk with or without a pusher but is only able to live alone without help because of the mobility it provides, says:
You would be pleased to know that there has never been a fatality at an Emu or Koala crossing outside a primary school in SA while under the operation of SAPOL-trained student monitors, despite the often low standards of drivers in Adelaide and the absence of automatic gates. With the improved predictability of trains compared to mums on school pickup runs, and the addition of the automatic gates, there is no reason that the same 0% record couldn't be achieved by student monitors and staff from Westminster after some training from a DPTI officer.
The rest of us would be pleased if you could actually provide some detail on this event occurring given that I am fairly certain nothing of the type occurred.
Was around the late 1980's possibly early 1990's, I am not 100% sure which station it was but recalled it being Hallett Cove or Hallet Cove beach, it could have been another station with an underpass on the noarlunga line in the near vicinity.Seaview (nee Seacombe) HS by any chance?
Young lady got off the train and was followed into the underpass by a chap in his late teens, the chap produced a knife and stabbed her repeatedly to death. The victim was reported in the Advertiser to have been chosen at random because her assailant wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone.
Lad was found guilty and then interned into the mental facility for an unfixed period of time, I think the place is called James Nash House.
I don't recall his name but the reason I recall the case is because I recognised the person that did the crime as being from my high school in a higher grade than I at the time.
No doubt the case history is avaiable via the State Courts sentancing remarks file, yet I dont have the name of the accused to trawl through it and find it.
Call that progress?Progress for progress' sake is not progress.
Could stick with a level crossing at Goodwood too!
Don't forget Oaklands!
PLANS to build a $3.5 million pedestrian underpass at the Marion Railway Station have been put on hold, following backlash from residents.
The State Government announced last week it would shelve the 4m wide by 30m long underpass to consult the community on what pedestrian rail crossing should be built at the station. The two options put forward by the Transport Department are the underpass or electronic gates that shut when trains are approaching. Residents welcomed the announcement, saying all they had wanted was a chance to have their say. Oaklands Estate Residents Association president Fred Hill said he had been approached by several people in the street who were opposed to an underpass. "There's been a lot of angst," Mr Hill said. He said the association's preferred option was electronic gates, similar to those at the Oaklands Railway Station. "We'd like to see gates because they are above ground and visible to everyone because you can see right through to the other side, even at night," Mr Hill said. Marion resident Geoff Wells said he was pleased residents would be consulted but wanted more scope to have a say on other options. "The department should look at building an overpass that would be at the (Westminster School) end and at the northern end installing the gates," Mr Wells said.
More than 140 residents rallied at a public meeting earlier this month after learning of the plan to replace an existing overpass with an underpass, as part of the electrification of the Noarlunga train line. Most of the people at the meeting cited safety and disability access concerns and the felling of dozens of mature trees lining the rail corridor for their opposition. Transport Department project director Luigi Rossi said at the meeting the underpass was "the safest option".
An information session where resident can have their say on the options will be held at Hamilton Secondary College on Thursday, July 25 from 4-8pm. Mr Rossi said the community feedback on the two options would be presented to the Transport Minister's office, who would make the final decision. Feedback can be submitted at the open day or by completing a feedback form by Monday, July 29, 5pm at email@example.com. More details: infrastructure.sa.gov.au
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According to the DPTI website it is reviewing the 2 options and no decision has been made - community feedback must be recieved by 5pm Monday 29 July 2013 - the automated crossing is just 1 of the 2 options along with the existing underpass concept.While it is encouraging that this is occurring, we remain concerned about their genuine desire to consider alternatives. From the link above:
A community open day is being held next Thursday, 25th July between 4pm and 8pm at the Hamilton Secondary College.
Call that progress?
Could stick with a level crossing at Goodwood too!
Don't forget Oaklands!
Justapax.The existing overpass at Marion Station was built around 1970 in response to a student death at the Southern-end of the station. That death did not occur at anything that could be reasonably called a modern level crossing: it was essentially just a paved road across the tracks, without a maze, and certainly not a modern activated level crossing. Having spoken with local residents who were present on the day of the tragic death and remember the events, the student had stopped too close to the passing train, and the mud-guard of his bicycle was caught by the train. This kind of accident is not possible with a modern gated crossing.
Replacing the overpass with a level crossing will ensure that the Transport Department has blood on its hands and on the front of its nice new trains. (Is that why they have red nose cones?)
School attenders* cross en mass and are often distracted by the kind of activities that school attenders get into. That is the reason the overpass was erected almost 50 years ago. (Is it that long? I can remember it being built) * Many are young adults and to call them all children is demeaning; some are children and more care should be taken.
If a LX is installed it would need to be an active type and be monitored at peak times by the School.
If the LX is a passive type then flashing yellow lights should be installed to require trains to slow; whilst 25 kph is reasonable ('nuther argument) for road vehicles the corresponding train speed would be 5 kph.
While I don't hold with PTD's Parkholme argument (are there shops there?) I do give them some credit for considering the all users including the school and for facing the issues with drainage and keeping the under track tunnel open at the ends to encourage proper use and discourage lurking, vandalism and urination. (See the effective underpass at HCB.)
How much more can I wring out of this topic?