New Kid on the Block Intro-& opening questions? Soldering Stations,Tinning&Tips (help appreciated)

 
  swissho Beginner

Location: Kristiansand,Norway
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:DHello Everyone,

I only joined the Forum this morning after a chance discovery of the site.
I am English 57, living in Norway (12 years) married a Viking!
Lifelong love affair with Railways both real and model.Unfortunately due to long term illness and some incapacity the constructing side of Rlw~Modelling as not being possible!much to my frustration.Crying or Very sad

I must admit to many false start and very costly mistakes over a number of years,which I put down to over enthusiasm and again frustration,which is a constant theme throughout my life!ironically whilst my health as worsened considerably in recent years,my determination to fulfil the life long dream of owning & running a first class layout has grown stronger? I am hoping to find someone shortly to construct a small HO Dcc layout for me.??(many false starts here?)

I am keen to at least be able to make minor repairs,and whilst this may prove difficult,I am trying to learn to SOLDER??Embarassed I have an ANTEX Iron 25watt. which i was told would be great for most things but having used it a few times I do not think it has the power for the job? and this was backed up by Richard @DCC Concepts who is very kind and most helpful, I have purchased several items some years back and am currently in the process of purchasing some additional items from his very extensive and interesting range.I am intersted  mainly in DCC items,Bu I liked the sound of the HAKKO Solder Stations.which Richard holds in high regard,and he is not alone as I have read many reveiws and discussions on the subject of Soldering and the HAKKO range seems to be very popular and generally better value than ANTEX/WELLER e.t.c.so I thought from all that I had read that the HAKKO stations would serve me well in many respects.

I was intersted to read Mathews thread from earlier this year,regarding his request for soldering station feedback so this post is basically a continuance of Mathews I suppose.I can see this post is going to be very long,and I apologise in advance,I considered posting a seperate specific thread to ask my particular soldering questions?

*Anyway here are my questions and I thank you advance.and please excuse my non technical explinations e.t.c.

Question 1. if I were to buy the HAKKO digital Station what is the ideal temp setting? for quite delicate rail soldering(repair)? and for delicate layout/DCC wiring e.t.c.?

Question 2. Related to (1) Iron Tips should I use the smallest finest tips when working with DCC & other Layout wiring?pleaseadvcie on basic number and type of tips I should have(their will be no construction what so ever just wiring repair)as far as I see it.


Question 3. I keep seeing reference to Tinning? the tips,and I see there are tinning compounds? when do I use this stuff it is i understand a way of keeping iron tips in good shape is this correct?(please advice how to use?)

Question 4. I currently have some of DCC Concepts SAPHIRE Solder wire & Flux Are there better options? this is purely out of interest, I can not see a problem withe saphire wire.I will use LEAD wire as I understand Lead free is not as good?is it still 60/40 grade I should use or a different grade?

Question5. I also have another product tix anti flux am told this is very good?

Think that is more than enough to be going on with

best Wishes SteveVery Happy

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*If fellow members wish to skirt all my waffling Intro e.t.c. please go directly to the bottom of page for my specific soldering related Questions-->

:DHello Everyone,

... I am trying to learn to SOLDER??...
swissho
Hi Steve,

I have a soldering tutorial on http://xdford.digitalzones.com/ down the bottom of the menu

Good luck an hope it helps!

Trevor
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
The Hakko iron is OK as a upper-level product, but I personally use a Weller 80 watt iron every day and would not be without it. However it is an expensive product. You might like to read this item on choosing an iron: Choosing an Iron

The temperature setting for an iron depends upon whether you use lead-free solder or not. I use around 300 degrees for lead-based solder and 350 degrees for lead-free solder.

With modern irons, certainly the Weller or Hakko, you do not need to tin the tip of the iron, it has a permanent coating that removes the need to tin it.

But... be careful of the temperature you use, as any temperature above about 380 degrees will burn the tip, and the only way out of that is a new tip. I use the Weller every single day, and I am still using a tip I purchased 4 years ago, and I anticipate it will last at least another 4 years.

As for the lead-free versus leaded solder argument, you will hear lots of opinions that say lead-free is not as good, but frankly it is not true. I have to use lead-free otherwise my products cannot be sold into the EU, but after many years of using it, I cannot see any evidence it is better or worse than leaded solder.

As for Tix, hmm. If you practice soldering and get good at it, you won't need Tix.

Geoff
  Hoot Beginner

Location: Two-Head Country
A Dick Smith T2200 soldering iron (150 - 450 Centigrade, 48 Watt) with DCC Concepts solders and fluxes and following DCC Concepts soldering tips.  Also used 70 Centigrade solder from somewhere else ?Brunel Hobbies.  Have soldered my first white metal vintage Mack truck kit without any problems, surprisingly easy actually!  Now to try my first spray painting effort on it.
  swissho Beginner

Location: Kristiansand,Norway
Hi Steve,

I have a soldering tutorial on http://xdford.digitalzones.com/ down the bottom of the menu

Good luck an hope it helps!

Trevor
xdford
Good day Trevor,
Thank you very much for your reply I have just checked out your fine site full of good stuff.I will indeed follow your tutorial on soldering.

Best wishes Steve:D
  swissho Beginner

Location: Kristiansand,Norway
Hello Geoff,
Good to hear from you,much appreciated.I have read so many good things a bout the HAKKO and I feel the price level is not to over the top, for the limited uses I intend to put it to.I read the fine article you linked me to,yeaterday and very helpful it was.Many thanks for your commenbts on the Solder quaetion Lead v lead "Free"
Glad I can use both as I have some Antex lead free as well as some RAPID 60/40 on top of the DCC Concepts Saphire,Good news about the Tinning question many thanks for that.

Can you please help me also with the Iron Tip question? IE should I always go for the smalles type tip for electrical wiring repairs e.t.c.

Once again many thanks Steve:D








TheBlacksmith
  swissho Beginner

Location: Kristiansand,Norway
A Dick Smith T2200 soldering iron (150 - 450 Centigrade, 48 Watt) with DCC Concepts solders and fluxes and following DCC Concepts soldering tips.  Also used 70 Centigrade solder from somewhere else ?Brunel Hobbies.  Have soldered my first white metal vintage Mack truck kit without any problems, surprisingly easy actually!  Now to try my first spray painting effort on it.
Hoot
Hello Hoot,
Very good of you to reply, much appreciated. I have heard a few things about Dick Smith soldering products but still feel the HAKKO just out in front,this could change of course if more feedback for alternatives?I will not be trying anything like you have,but glad you like the Concepts products

best wishes Steve:D
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Not an easy answer, a small tip is good for soldering electrical connections, while a larger tip is good for making heavier metal connections. But it depends upon the power of the iron to a large extent, a powerful iron can deliver a lot of heat through a small tip, but a low power iron will not. Also, good quality temperature controlled soldering stations will deliver a lot of heat through a small tip because they react to the loss of heat when the tip is placed on the work.

To give you an idea, I use a tip with a 3.5mm end for almost everything.
  swissho Beginner

Location: Kristiansand,Norway
Not an easy answer, a small tip is good for soldering electrical connections, while a larger tip is good for making heavier metal connections. But it depends upon the power of the iron to a large extent, a powerful iron can deliver a lot of heat through a small tip, but a low power iron will not. Also, good quality temperature controlled soldering stations will deliver a lot of heat through a small tip because they react to the loss of heat when the tip is placed on the work.

To give you an idea, I use a tip with a 3.5mm end for almost everything.
TheBlacksmith
Hello again
That was warp speed reply! many thanks once again.Yes I take your point.Unless things change I will most likely be buying the
Hakko FX888D Digital Soldering Station with FX-8801 Solder Iron
I will keep your tip:lol: re the 3.5mm Tip!as a guide.

Regards Steve:D

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