Consolidated Rail Leasing loco's

 
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
So why is UGL building these locos with CRL numbers to CRL spec if CRL isn't buying them? What about the GWUs? Just smells a bit odd....

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  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
So why is UGL building these locos with CRL numbers to CRL spec if CRL isn't buying them? What about the GWUs? Just smells a bit odd....
GT46C-ACe
For the same reason UGL built locos to CFCLA's specs which magically became 93's. There is a big difference between an expression of interest and a "set in stone" sales contract. It takes a few minutes to change those cosmetic numbers into "6033", "9313" or "CF4413". There is also nothing stopping *any* operator (existing or new to the scene) from buying those locos and letting them enter service as their new CRL class, wearing a fancy new stealth livery.
  Clyde_AT26HC-2M Chief Train Controller
  M636C Minister for Railways

For the same reason UGL built locos to CFCLA's specs which magically became 93's. There is a big difference between an expression of interest and a "set in stone" sales contract. It takes a few minutes to change those cosmetic numbers into "6033", "9313" or "CF4413". There is also nothing stopping *any* operator (existing or new to the scene) from buying those locos and letting them enter service as their new CRL class, wearing a fancy new stealth livery.
Poath Junction
I'm not sure what the concern is...

Not even PN or Aurizon pay for their locomotives before they are delivered. Remember that a few TTs were stored awaiting the right time to pay for them...

I assume the CF to 93 class switch was influenced by PN being the intended user under lease, and CFCLA and PN presumably discussed this before the switch.

I'd be surprised if PN didn't take some of the CRLs on lease as well, allowing for some competition between CRL and CFCLA....
Aurizon might be able to use them as the Gunnedah traffic builds up.

After all, they are all the same....

M636C
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
The TT's were stored as they were finished and wagons had not arrived, nothing to do with paying for them.

The CF to 93 switch happened because CFCLA changed their mind and only wanted 6 initially, other operators were in talks about new loco's and they were offered, PN brought them. It had nothing to do with potential lease.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
After months of having to hold my tongue I can now reveal the CRL's are entering service with SSR, wearing a stealthy new black & yellow livery. The distinctive livery uses black as the predominant colour with angled yellow bands (kinda like an XRB's angled stripes) along the body.
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
But according to 2LaGrange CRL doesn't own nor have they ordered any C44s? Or was that all wrong?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
But according to 2LaGrange CRL doesn't own nor have they ordered any C44s? Or was that all wrong?
GT46C-ACe

SSR or CRL? All the same basically.
  JNSymes Junior Train Controller

So, who owns the CEY's then? Centennial?
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
So, who owns the CEY's then? Centennial?
JNSymes
Yes.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
But according to 2LaGrange CRL doesn't own nor have they ordered any C44s? Or was that all wrong?
GT46C-ACe

CRL (the company)  do not own these CRL class loco's.
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
So these are not the CRLs listed on CRL (company) website?
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Poath is correct that was the plan however circumstances may have changed.

CRL gave an expression of interest to possibly purchase C44aci locos from UGL thats all,as i said before just because they put a CGI (Computer Generated Image ) on their web site does not mean they will have these locos.

I do not think you will see these locos in SSR Stealth Livery either in the current economic climate.

These locos and the 5  GT46-ACes were built by the manufacturers on the HOPE someone would purchase or lease them once they are constructed,they had no signed contracts in place when the decision to order the components ect to build these locos was made.

The choice was simple build more locos in the HOPE someone will buy/lease or sack your skilled workforce as you can not pay them to sit around doing nothing,however skilled tradesmen are hard to find and i can understand why EDI/UGL are hesitant to retench workers as its hard to train/find the right people for the job.

Unfortunatley it looks like EDI are going down the path of not building locos in australia any more.

LDP 010-LDP 14 will be the last EDI locos to be built in Australia very sad times for Railway Equipment Manufacturing in Australia.

Unfortunatley if UGL do not get some concrete forward orders for locos to be delivered in 2014/15 we may see UGL also stop manufacturing locomotives in Australia.
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
Good to know Downer and UGL have the finances to build locomotives on hopes and prayers.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Good to know Downer and UGL have the finances to build locomotives on hopes and prayers.
GT46C-ACe
I probably wouldn't put it on quite those terms, but your general sentiment is correct.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Sure did not sure how happy their respective share holders will be but thats why the 5 LDPs are sitting in Cardiff painted plain white with no owner or potential user at the moment and the same will be the case for the 5 UGL C44aci locs with CRL letters in their number boxes when they are completed.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
It appears an artwork image of an SSR CRL class in the new black/yellow livery appears in the latest Australian Railways Illustrated, I can't confirm as my copy hasn't arrived yet. You can see the pic in this thread : http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11360976-s1375.htm
  Toddy Train Controller

Well Aurizon surely are going to need A LOT of new locomotives for that massive Whitehaven contract they won from Gunnedah and beyond.. Assuming they follow all previous purchases they would buy locomotives from UGL..
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
Massive ?
The mine is not approved yet and they should be able to do the 1.5 trains a day required with 3 rakes, so if they run like PN do out there, that's only 9 loco's, plus 2 bankers, and maybe 3 spare, that's only 15.
  beyerpeacock Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gorton Foundry
Plus the extra tonnage out of Gunnedah, Werris Creek and Narrabri on top of PN's contracted tonnage.
  Factory_Fill Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne VIC
B75 broke cover on Friday in CRL livery.
  ed31880 Train Controller

any photos?

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