Gippsland fight for high speed rail

 

News article: Gippsland fight for high speed rail

GIPPSLAND hasn't given up the fight to have a high speed rail route run through its communities.

  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
That will be a big problem, for sure. I hope there is some sensible compromises to be made.

Don't forget to wave when I transit through DBX on tomorrow's QF1. Cheers
arctic
You mean DXB and consider you have been waved at amongst the swirlling sand and dust haze. Humidity is in lower 50's at the moment so the plane probably won't need every inch of the runway to get up! Last week they would have needed a truck in front hosing the air to cool it for the planes to get up.

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  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
so is the better route from the construction viewpoint going via gippsland being south the canberra to gippsland or is it better to run west from canberra which is a very difficult thing to do engineering wise?

what would be the difference in time between capitals if the gippsland route were chosen over the wagga route?
JimYarin
You don't need a tunnel - entering Canberra from the north would not add much time compared with tunneling directly through the ranges.

There is no need either for services running between Melbourne and Sydney to pass through Canberra, that's just silly.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
You don't need a tunnel - entering Canberra from the north would not add much time compared with tunneling directly through the ranges.

There is no need either for services running between Melbourne and Sydney to pass through Canberra, that's just silly.
ZH836301
The issue with Canberra has been this
1) Go via Canberra to Melborune, makes it attractive to users from either end or mid way as a method of travel to Canberra.
Downside, it makes the overall route longer and more expensive killing the viability of the main target audience, S-M

2) Leave it as a shuttle from Goulburn and/or seperate service from Sydney, lower overal CAPEX for whole project and the Canberra line can be built single track saving more $. Also doesn't impact on the main users.
Downside, less likely Canberra would be built and forces a change of trains which has a mental block for many riders and will make the trip longer from MEl and maybe less viable. You basically need a 3 way syncronised connection at Goldburn to make it work at its cheapest and most efficent for users.

I believe now the Project recommendation is to do No.2 and as others have posted Gippsland was so far down the list of consideration its not funny and the Mayor needs to focus on his own controllable issues of today and tomorrow, not the next generations.
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
The issue with Canberra has been this
1) Go via Canberra to Melborune, makes it attractive to users from either end or mid way as a method of travel to Canberra.
Downside, it makes the overall route longer and more expensive killing the viability of the main target audience, S-M

2) Leave it as a shuttle from Goulburn and/or seperate service from Sydney, lower overal CAPEX for whole project and the Canberra line can be built single track saving more $. Also doesn't impact on the main users.
Downside, less likely Canberra would be built and forces a change of trains which has a mental block for many riders and will make the trip longer from MEl and maybe less viable. You basically need a 3 way syncronised connection at Goldburn to make it work at its cheapest and most efficent for users.

I believe now the Project recommendation is to do No.2 and as others have posted Gippsland was so far down the list of consideration its not funny and the Mayor needs to focus on his own controllable issues of today and tomorrow, not the next generations.
RTT_Rules
The current proposal envisages 3) Trains that would run Melbourne to Canberra and Sydney to Canberra, in parallel with the direct Melbourne - Sydney services.  Some number of these would be reasonably express/limited stops, others would also serve as regional stopping services.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
My point (poorly backed by simplistic calculations) was essentially that there is no way the capex for HSR can be recovered under commercial conditions in a reasonable amount of time, and my opinion is that it isn't reasonable that the federal government write off the cost of building it.

From my traveller's perspective, though, it begs the question: "So we're spending a hundred billion to get to Melbourne in exactly the same time it takes now?"
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
My point (poorly backed by simplistic calculations) was essentially that there is no way the capex for HSR can be recovered under commercial conditions in a reasonable amount of time, and my opinion is that it isn't reasonable that the federal government write off the cost of building it.

From my traveller's perspective, though, it begs the question: "So we're spending a hundred billion to get to Melbourne in exactly the same time it takes now?"
Watson374

And I totally agree with your position. The trouble is, telling anyone on this forum that air is a better option than rail is going to fall on deaf ears.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
There's absolutely no point making passengers travelling between Melbourne and Sydney stop at Canberra.

It isn't a metro or suburban rail system - trains should be full for each service if the project is in any way viable (ie. Melbourne-Canberra, Sydney-Canberra, Melbourne-Sydney).
  arctic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Zurich
And I totally agree with your position. The trouble is, telling anyone on this forum that air is a better option than rail is going to fall on deaf ears.
"TheBlacksmith"


Why? From my observation most posts on here are anti-HSR.

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