Bangladeshi refuge assaults blind female train passenger

 
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
A Bangladeshi uses his newly granted refugee visa to assault female train passenger, twice, about two weeks ago.

Guide dog, if any, not offended.

Other women come forward to report same kind of assaults.

Bangladeshi thinks he is in heaven, with so many barely covered women walking around.

See: http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=892457

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  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
A Bangladeshi uses his newly granted refugee visa to assault female train passenger, twice, about two weeks ago.

Guide dog, if any, not offended.

Other women come forward to report same kind of assaults.

Bangladeshi thinks he is in heaven, with so many barely covered women walking around.

See: http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=892457
awsgc24

And I see the police got the dirtbag.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
Maybe he would be better off in Bangladesh.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Where (and why) does his nationality come into play? Sexual assault is a problem, refugee/settler integration is a problem; but surely slugging him for being Bangladeshi is, at best, a cheap shot (and at worst, outright racism)?
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
People like this should be immediately deported. If a "refugee" has committed a crime such as sexual assault they are no longer welcome here.

Unfortunately, I have no doubt the "cultural differences" card will be pulled in court, and he'll get a slap on the wrist.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
People like this should be immediately deported. If a "refugee" has committed a crime such as sexual assault they are no longer welcome here.

Unfortunately, I have no doubt the "cultural differences" card will be pulled in court, and he'll get a slap on the wrist.
Braddo
Think beyond generalisations and knee jerk reactions Idea

It would be fair enough that refugees have a good behaviour probation period. However there is a practical consideration where a country that won't take them back or they face persecution or death.

Unfortunately we can't also deport those local low life who perpetrate some of the most heinous crimes against women - especially where they already have a criminal record where the courts simply give them a slap on the wrist. Rolling Eyes
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Where (and why) does his nationality come into play? Sexual assault is a problem, refugee/settler integration is a problem; but surely slugging him for being Bangladeshi is, at best, a cheap shot (and at worst, outright racism)?
Watson374

Other "South Asian" countries such as Indi* have similar assault problems such as the female bus passenger (in Delhi) who was recently gang-raped and murdered.

One could have of course branded "these people" as Earthlings, Non-Martians, Non-Extraterrestials, etc.

On the other hand, this refugee does represent his home country, and his good behaviour is something that co-Bangladeshis can be proud of.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Think beyond generalisations and knee jerk reactions Idea

It would be fair enough that refugees have a good behaviour probation period. However there is a practical consideration where a country that won't take them back or they face persecution or death.

Unfortunately we can't also deport those local low life who perpetrate some of the most heinous crimes against women - especially where they already have a criminal record where the courts simply give them a slap on the wrist. Rolling Eyes
cootanee
Yes its a tough one. Personally I think all immigrants should be on a 2 year good behaviour period for which any crime could see their resisdency status cancelled. However if deportation is not an option for reasons as you say  (and honestly I could care less for what might happen to them, we gave you a chance and potential for a life you couldn't dream of back home and you blew it, not my problem.), then they need to go to a dention centre and be further cultured on Australian culture and laws after which its jail for next offence and while in Jail they should be banned from international finanical transactions to prevent what ever cash they earn in jail being sent home and for many this is significant punishment.

However lets not flog the Banglasdeshies too much as how many Australian's have undertaken sexual crimes, one bad Bango does not make them all bad. This guy perhaps should be also forced to under community service helping the blind.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
However lets not flog the Bangladeshis too much as how many Australian's have undertaken sexual crimes, one bad Bango does not make them all bad. This guy perhaps should be also forced to under community service helping the blind.
And be given even more opportunities to molest females? No, he can help clean toilets.

What percentage of Bangladeshis have their documentation? The non-docs can vouchsafe for each-other and be punished on the "acting in concert" basis.

Remember our resources are drowning in a flood of asylum seekers!
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
And be given even more opportunities to molest females? No, he can help clean toilets.

What percentage of Bangladeshis have their documentation? The non-docs can vouchsafe for each-other and be punished on the "acting in concert" basis.

Remember our resources are drowning in a flood of asylum seekers!
awsgc24

Again think beyond generalisations and knee jerk reactions http://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_idea.gif

It's just too easy and lazy Rolling Eyes

P.S. Ask anyone working in community services and the police who are the sort of people using up all their resources Exclamation
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
And be given even more opportunities to molest females? No, he can help clean toilets.

What percentage of Bangladeshis have their documentation? The non-docs can vouchsafe for each-other and be punished on the "acting in concert" basis.

Remember our resources are drowning in a flood of asylum seekers!
awsgc24
If there was a risk definitly not and who would even suggest such a thing, usually these things are supervised. Sometimes the best method for prevention is to get the criminal to understand the victim or victims by working in their community and seeing the outcomes of their actions. This may mean cleaning toilets in a blind centre.

If the guy is serial, then yes, head down smeg up cleaning toilets behind bars is fine!
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Not that I'm excusing the behaviour but I have heard from people who work with refugees and migrants from places like Bangladesh that often they get here and think 'everything is permitted' and of course that's simply not true.  It's partly a reflection of their dreadfully oppressive societies but I think it's also the lack of education and a religious background that objectifies women that are all to blame.  They just need to realise that with freedom comes responsibility towards others.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Not that I'm excusing the behaviour but I have heard from people who work with refugees and migrants from places like Bangladesh that often they get here and think 'everything is permitted' and of course that's simply not true.  It's partly a reflection of their dreadfully oppressive societies but I think it's also the lack of education and a religious background that objectifies women that are all to blame.  They just need to realise that with freedom comes responsibility towards others.
don_dunstan
It doesn't matter where these low life were born - if it did we may as well sterilise whole suburbs which have a high proportion of people with criminal backgrounds!

Of course every Italian is growing marijuana and having people knocked off, every Chinese is Triad and every Vietnamese is doing something illegal  Rolling Eyes
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Here's more evidence of what I was just talking about:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-05/muslim-prayer-leader-admits-indecent-assaults/4865694

Just because you are in a country that's much more socially liberal than your own doesn't mean you can go around touching up women in public.  FREEDOM = RESPONSIBILITY.  You can't go around doing whatever you like, that's not how it works.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Here's more evidence of what I was just talking about:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-05/muslim-prayer-leader-admits-indecent-assaults/4865694

Just because you are in a country that's much more socially liberal than your own doesn't mean you can go around touching up women in public.  FREEDOM = RESPONSIBILITY.  You can't go around doing whatever you like, that's not how it works.
don_dunstan
Yep. And you pay the consequences as you should regardless (well these days anyway Rolling Eyes)

Reminds me of laying on of hands Wink



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EprQGmZ3Imw
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
In the news today, an Egyptian lay preacher pleads guilty to molesting females on IIRC Bondi Beach. The were a lot of similar assaults against women making peaceful protest in Cairo recently.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
In the news today, an Egyptian lay preacher pleads guilty to molesting females on IIRC Bondi Beach. The were a lot of similar assaults against women making peaceful protest in Cairo recently.
awsgc24
What has this to do with rail?

Can I start posting about abuse of children by christian clergy in Australia in this thread?
  2001 The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Thread moved to Lounge Forum.
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
Again think beyond generalisations and knee jerk reactions http://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_idea.gif

It's just too easy and lazy Rolling Eyes

P.S. Ask anyone working in community services and the police who are the sort of people using up all their resources Exclamation
cootanee

Yes, the Middle eastern crime/bikie gangs of western Sydney.

Don't these incidents and problems occurring in society highlight the need to have proper processes and controls in place when it comes to immigration?

The bleeding hearts like Cootanee and the socialists like Bingley Hall though just don't get it.  They think everyone is a nice well intentioned person, and there is no such thing as evil.  But you only have to look around at what is going on in the world to realise that theory is just a load of sh1t.  What will it take though for the bleeding hearts to realise this, more terror attacks and massive social dislocation?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Yes, the Middle eastern crime/bikie gangs of western Sydney.

Don't these incidents and problems occurring in society highlight the need to have proper processes and controls in place when it comes to immigration?

The bleeding hearts like Cootanee and the socialists like Bingley Hall though just don't get it.  They think everyone is a nice well intentioned person, and there is no such thing as evil.  But you only have to look around at what is going on in the world to realise that theory is just a load of sh1t.  What will it take though for the bleeding hearts to realise this, more terror attacks and massive social dislocation?
2301
There are proper processes and controls in place when it comes to immigration. You know this, but won't admit it because to do so wouldn't suit your particular political agenda.

National emergency, terror attacks - what other unsubstantiated cliches are you and your Coalition mates going to drag up during this election?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Locally born criminals are a part of society that we as a society just have to deal with. Migrants who come here are granted a privilege by being allowed to stay here, step out of line EVER (especially by touching up our women or children) and go home. Simples!

And yes, Bing et al, if any red, white or blue migrant English, Irish, Spanish, or New Zealander catholic churchy types are found to be touching up altar boys I will be the first in line at the airport telling them they can smeg off on a one way ticket home too!
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
There are proper processes and controls in place when it comes to immigration. You know this, but won't admit it because to do so wouldn't suit your particular political agenda.

National emergency, terror attacks - what other unsubstantiated cliches are you and your Coalition mates going to drag up during this election?
bingley hall

There were proper processes in place before Kev and the Labor party got rid of them.  

What about Ben Brika and his mates..........?  How many sleepers could be out there now because Kev had a brainstorm, hey?

And I make no apologies for being anti Labor/Socialist because of what they are doing to the country.  FYI, I do not support either party and I am a member of a union.

Why are you so anti-Australian in your attitude?  It is as though you want the world interest to dominate over the national interest of Australia.

Why do you want to trash a great country that has been so good to you?
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
What has this to do with rail?

bingley hall

If a new thread had been started for non-rail cases of molestations, Bingley Hall would have no doubt complained "Why start a whole new thread when an existing thread covers the gist of the new page".

BTW, today's Telegraph on page 15 has two molestation cases:

* Egyptian prayer leader Ahmed Abdelshafey Mohamed El-Kahly (of Bondi Beach molesting fame) who is wearing a female like scarf snd dark glasses to cover his face.

* Sheik Man Haron Monis who pleaded guilty to using the postal service to send menacing, harassing and offensive (and molesting) letters to families of fallen/slain Australian soldiers, disguised as letters of condolance. Just as the Right of Free Speech does NOT allow one to falsely cry "Fire!" in a crowded theatre (and cause a panicked rush to the exits), the right to send offensive letters by mail or similar service, does not exist.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
There is no explicit 'right to free speech' or any such guarantee in Australia (well unless you are a parliamentarian).
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Locally born criminals are a part of society that we as a society just have to deal with. Migrants who come here are granted a privilege by being allowed to stay here, step out of line EVER (especially by touching up our women or children) and go home. Simples!

And yes, Bing et al, if any red, white or blue migrant English, Irish, Spanish, or New Zealander catholic churchy types are found to be touching up altar boys I will be the first in line at the airport telling them they can smeg off on a one way ticket home too!
Aaron
My God I don't often agree with what Aaron says but this time I have to, this is the way it should be done and if they get shot once sent back to their country of origin it is not Australia's problem.

Freaking religion dont get me started there are very few church leaders or priest's that I would even trust fully. They are all covering up a larger thing, but close ranks to protect one another. Not good enough. I know a few ex priests though that hate this kind of thing and got out of it because of it, there are some decent ones though.

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