Vline Network Rationalisation

 
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
I've reread it and I'm not seeing any claims of the sort in this thread.

The only thing close is that Edenhope, Cobden, and Corryong don't have Vline services, which is true (they have extended town bus services).

With regards to the Ararat train, I suspected all along what you were really saying is that people should spend longer on a train and less time on a bus (which is fair enough) but I feel the current arrangement actually works better because there's a larger catchment of potential passengers along the Glenelg and almost none along the Pyrenees.  Fair enough to utilise the train better but the catchment is much larger along the Glenelg.
"don_dunstan"

There's a much larger catchment on the Ararat line - the more passengers you get on that train, the greater the potential for added services, which cycles into more patronage.

If you gave Hamilton passengers the choice between an hour extra on the train (but 15 minutes longer overall) and the current arrangement I have no doubt that a shorter transit time would win hands down.
"don_dunstan"

I don't think it would even be that much longer - even with a 10 minute change, it would be 1hr45min to Glenthompson, which is about the same as the coach from Ballarat (and that's with the long train dwell time at Ballarat).

We've also seen from the likes of the Mildura Train Action Group how much people apparently hate buses compared with trains, regardless of journey time.

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  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
We've also seen from the likes of the Mildura Train Action Group how much people apparently hate buses compared with trains, regardless of journey time.
"ZH836301"
Why pander to that? You're serving a captive market, so you can screw them however hard you want and they'll still come crawling back.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I've reread it and I'm not seeing any claims of the sort in this thread.

The only thing close is that Edenhope, Cobden, and Corryong don't have Vline services, which is true (they have extended town bus services).

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ZH836301

That's really splitting hairs.  We were talking about towns with or without bus services... but anyway.

Much as I appreciate the notion of making the Ararat V/Line train more viable, this is one of those situations where the passenger should probably just get what they want.  I really doubt if you gave them the option Hamilton people would be that excited about the train that they would actually put up with a longer trip for the sake of an extra-long train trip and it's only an additional hour on the train anyway.  It's a nice idea but a lingering doubt persists on that only because I recall that originally when they cancelled the Hamilton train in the late 70's that they originally made people catch the bus from Ararat but the idea didn't persist for some reason.

Maybe the upgrades to the Glenelg Hwy made that option irresistible but I feel that maybe preference from passengers could have been the issue; I know for sure there was a Glenelg only option all the way to Hamilton from the start in the mid-1970's when they cancelled the Skipton rail-car and as far as I recall the Ararat option had been removed for quite some time before Jeff cancelled the whole thing from Ballarat.  I believe that Trotters Coaches (Hamilton) have run the service from the start so maybe I'll ask the driver the next time I catch the bus, there's a good chance they will know the answer (some of them have been doing it for years).
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Okay ZH, I have an answer for you with regards to the bus Hamilton-Ballarat.  I spoke briefly with the driver the other night and he actually said that 'passenger preference' was the reason for a Glenelg Highway service as opposed to Ararat-Hamilton; he also mentioned the cancellation of the Dimboola trains as a reason for the permanent switch.  It was a fairly busy bus (almost full) and he was keen to get going so I didn't have a chance to chat to him much more than that.

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