East-west rationale to stay secret

 

News article: East-west rationale to stay secret

Victorians will never get to see the economic rationale for the state's most expensive transport project, with the Napthine government ruling out public release of the business case for the controversial east-west road tunnel, even after contracts are let.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Victorians will never get to see the economic rationale for the state's most expensive transport project, with the Napthine government ruling out public release of the business case for the controversial east-west road tunnel, even after contracts are let.



Treasurer Michael O'Brien confirmed that the business case for the $6 billion to $8 billion tollway to link the Eastern Freeway and CityLink, will never be made public, citing commercial sensitivity.



Secrecy around the business case for the east-west public-private partnership has fuelled concern about the reasoning for a project that the government has struggled to justify.



It is also at odds with a call last year by former Kennett government minister Mark Birrell for the release of business cases for PPPs in light of the financial collapse of toll tunnels in Brisbane and Sydney. Mr Birrell is now the head of private infrastructure lobby Infrastructure Partnerships Australia.
East-west rationale to stay secret


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Napthine, a secretive disaster already!

The supposed "commercial sensitivity" surrounding #EastWestLink's business case is surely just a poor excuse that #SpringSt is hiding behind
— Frank Reinthaler (@FrankReinthaler) August 25, 2013


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  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Blind Freddy can see that this will be a major disaster. Why can't they?

Maybe they need to think about their re-election hopes? I can see them losing the election if this goes ahead.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
No public business case is the very worst practice for any government, the Auditor-General took both Kennett and Bracks/Brumby to task on this practice and yet here we are, 2013, and it's still happening.  Weren't they elected on a promise of 'no more secrets'?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Last Night submissions to the CIS or Community Impact Statement closed.  According to sources there have been over 2000 submissions to Spring Street.  Should make for interesting reading.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Well I did mention this. East West Link is designed to bypass rail freight for the Western port development. Probabkly also be used to allow large trucks from the coal fields of Gippsland to the port for export.

Freeway upgrade planned for Western Port Highway

VICROADS is planning a massive upgrade to turn Western Port Highway into a freeway between South Gippsland Highway and Browns Rd.

Under the plan, the road authority will acquire land in Casey, Frankston and Greater Dandenong, to allow for construction of flyovers or underpasses at Glasscocks, Wedgewood, Hall, Ballarto and Cranbourne-Frankston roads.
The proposal also provides space for a future rail line into the Port of Hastings.
VicRoads has asked the affected councils to allow it to be the planning authority for the land acquisition overlays. Casey has given conditional approval.
Cr Gary Rowe said he was thrilled at the prospect of the development.
"I've been a long-term supporter of the upgrade of the Port of Hastings and the development of this highway," Cr Rowe said.
"Extending this section as a freeway will be another big step in opening up industrial and commercial projects in the area and tackling traffic issues."
The project was outlined in a report presented to Casey councillors last month and the concept has been confirmed by VicRoads' regional director, metropolitan south east, Adam Maguire.
Mr Maguire told the Leader VicRoads wanted to identify the necessary interchanges, access roads and land to be reserved in planning schemes.
"Ongoing population growth and development in this area is leading to an increase in local and through traffic on the (Western Port) highway and major intersecting roads," Mr Maguire said.
"Planning to protect options is required to ensure the ongoing needs of the community, commuters and transport operators will be met."
Mr Maguire said the planned upgrade would also support the proposed development of the Port of Hastings.
Planning scheme amendments to reserve the land required for the highway upgrade were expected to be exhibited for public comment this year.
Mr Maguire said there were no timelines at present for construction.
"This is a planning exercise to protect future options by reserving the required land," he said.
The highway forms Casey's boundary with Greater Dandenong, north of Thompsons Rd and Frankston, south of Thompsons Rd.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/south-east/freeway-upgrade-planned-for-western-port-highway/story-fngnvmhm-1226801700865
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Well I did mention this. East West Link is designed to bypass rail freight for the Western port development. Probabkly also be used to allow large trucks from the coal fields of Gippsland to the port for export.

Freeway upgrade planned for Western Port Highway

VICROADS is planning a massive upgrade to turn Western Port Highway into a freeway between South Gippsland Highway and Browns Rd.

Under the plan, the road authority will acquire land in Casey, Frankston and Greater Dandenong, to allow for construction of flyovers or underpasses at Glasscocks, Wedgewood, Hall, Ballarto and Cranbourne-Frankston roads.
The proposal also provides space for a future rail line into the Port of Hastings.
VicRoads has asked the affected councils to allow it to be the planning authority for the land acquisition overlays. Casey has given conditional approval.
Cr Gary Rowe said he was thrilled at the prospect of the development.
"I've been a long-term supporter of the upgrade of the Port of Hastings and the development of this highway," Cr Rowe said.
"Extending this section as a freeway will be another big step in opening up industrial and commercial projects in the area and tackling traffic issues."
The project was outlined in a report presented to Casey councillors last month and the concept has been confirmed by VicRoads' regional director, metropolitan south east, Adam Maguire.
Mr Maguire told the Leader VicRoads wanted to identify the necessary interchanges, access roads and land to be reserved in planning schemes.
"Ongoing population growth and development in this area is leading to an increase in local and through traffic on the (Western Port) highway and major intersecting roads," Mr Maguire said.
"Planning to protect options is required to ensure the ongoing needs of the community, commuters and transport operators will be met."
Mr Maguire said the planned upgrade would also support the proposed development of the Port of Hastings.
Planning scheme amendments to reserve the land required for the highway upgrade were expected to be exhibited for public comment this year.
Mr Maguire said there were no timelines at present for construction.
"This is a planning exercise to protect future options by reserving the required land," he said.
The highway forms Casey's boundary with Greater Dandenong, north of Thompsons Rd and Frankston, south of Thompsons Rd.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/south-east/freeway-upgrade-planned-for-western-port-highway/story-fngnvmhm-1226801700865
bevans

Could somebody tell Dr. Napthine he's not supposed to be building any more roads?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The Westernport Highway upgrade has been In planning long before any planning for East West Link.

I don't see how they are related, what truck drivers would travel form the Hastings area to the Western Suburbs via the congested Eastern Freeway and pay two lots of tolls ?

What about overpasses at Moreton Bay BVD and the busy Thompsons Road
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

what truck drivers would travel form the Hastings area to the Western Suburbs via the congested Eastern Freeway and pay two lots of tolls ?
"Nightfire"

Someone who can quote a higher rate for quicker delivery, and make more profit?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The Westernport Highway upgrade has been In planning long before any planning for East West Link.

I don't see how they are related, what truck drivers would travel form the Hastings area to the Western Suburbs via the congested Eastern Freeway and pay two lots of tolls ?

What about overpasses at Moreton Bay BVD and the busy Thompsons Road
Nightfire


I think is exactly the plan.  Stage 2 of east/west link runs a new elevated road to the Port of Melbourne.

Regards
Brian
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Someone who can quote a higher rate for quicker delivery, and make more profit?
duttonbay

But there Is no advantage In using Eastlink and the Eastern Freeway over the Monash Freeway !
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
But there Is no advantage In using Eastlink and the Eastern Freeway over the Monash Freeway !
Nightfire


Unless you are going from the Western Port area to the North East or the North West and what if the Monash continues to be a car park?

Regards
Brian
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Unless you are going from the Western Port area to the North East or the North West and what if the Monash continues to be a car park?

Regards
Brian
bevans

So your trying to say that the Eastern Freeway Is less of a carpark then the Monash !
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
So your trying to say that the Eastern Freeway Is less of a carpark then the Monash !
Nightfire


I don;t use the Monash at all nor the Eastern in Peak Hour and near inbound for work.  I can only assume the capacity on the Monash is tested most of the day. And I do say assume.  The eastern appears a little less congested during the day but still heavy. Is this a fair assumption?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
I don;t use the Monash at all nor the Eastern in Peak Hour and near inbound for work. I can only assume the capacity on the Monash is tested most of the day. And I do say assume. The eastern appears a little less congested during the day but still heavy. Is this a fair assumption?
bevans

The Monash Outbound is really heavy around Springvale Road to Pakenham from about 3pm weekdays. Most other times it is moderate.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
East West Link is designed to bypass rail freight for the Western port development. Probabkly also be used to allow large trucks from the coal fields of Gippsland to the port for export.
bevans

Care to explain that one? It makes no sense.

Why would trucks from Gippsland carrying coal to Westernport go anywhere near East West Link?

And if anyone tried to use trucks to get brown coal from Gippsland to Western Port they would be out of business in no time. No one uses trucks for transporting a commodity that is perfectly suited to rail or other means. If anything, I reckon they would build a slurry pipeline.
  Edith Chief Commissioner

Location: Line 1 from Porte de Vincennes bound for Bastille station
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Napthine, a secretive disaster already!

The supposed "commercial sensitivity" surrounding #EastWestLink's business case is surely just a poor excuse that #SpringSt is hiding behind
— Frank Reinthaler (@FrankReinthaler) August 25, 2013

bevans

Having read the Comprehensive Impact Statement, I cannot see the merit in this 'commercial sensitivity' claim.  The PPP partner is not taking any risks with their side of the partnership; the government will make them a set payment each year and collects all/any tolls itself.  Based on the level of traffic anticipated by them and the toll they have suggested, I cannot see them collecting more than 10-20% of the annualised costs in tolls.  Hardly a good prospect for them, but still quite OK for the builder.

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