..... It's a major project, I guess you have to expect these kind of delays.No you don't.
Thank-you, Justapassenger, that's really interesting, I suppose they could be using the new trains prior to formal opening if they can get it together in time? 85trainfan also mentioned that you can ride from Hallett Cove to Seaford or Seaford Meadows now, that would be interesting - does the bike trail incorporate the new rail bridge across the Onk or do you go some other way? I couldn't seem to find the answer on the internet but I'm aware that the bridge does in fact have a bike/pedestrian lane over it.The route in question is the Coast to Vines Rail Trail built by the cities of Onkaparinga and Marion, which is a far better use of the thankfully long-gone Willunga rail alignment than a rail line ever was - far more people use it each day for a start! The route approaches the Seaford area from the north-east using a low-level bridge over the Onkaparinga (about 10 years old) built on top of the original rail bridge's remains near Old Noarlunga, then approaching the new rail corridor alongside the southern edge of the new depot. The section from there south has been rebuilt as an integral part of the new rail corridor and includes underpasses shared with the rail line and platform access at both stations.
As Hosk said, previously it, back then, would take just two operators (both Gov owned)
And as we know government operators didn't take true cost into account.
In todays world, cost is paramount, transport has to be the most efficent and cheapest option.
The current road transport sees the complete railcar winched onto the low loader with a winch, and unloaded the same way. The truck runs direct from the Manufacturer to Seaford Depot.
To transport via rail the following steps are needed
1. Railcars would need to be towed by a loco to a place with dual gauge.
2. The railcars would need to be lifted onto SG works bogies (Crane Hire would be a minimum of a couple of thoasands dollars)
3. Rail to Adelaide with buffer wagons (for braking) - this may have to be a speed restricted train - also loading gauge would have to be checked.
4. On arrival in Adelaide once again cranes would have to be hired so the railcar can be lifted onto it's bogies (this can only be done in a dual gauge location - most easiest would be Port Flat yard)
5. Then a BG loco would need to be hired to tow the railcar to Seaford Depot (more $$$$ )
6. Item 5 is currently not possible as the Seaford line is closed!
As I said ........ far cheaper on the low loader!
My point was really just that your previous railcars were delivered by rail, under their own power when it was BG, and towed on transfer bogies after the interstate conversion to SG, so why can't they still do this?
Are you for real? Why can they still not deliver these rail cars under their own power? Maybe it has something to do with the current world wide shortage of 900km 25kV rated extension cords...
My point was really just that your previous railcars were delivered by rail, under their own power when it was BG, and towed on transfer bogies after the interstate conversion to SG, so why can't they still do this?
You've said the answer is too many operators. OK then, but it's not really a great reason. There are countries with hundreds of operators, who deliver passenger cars by rail. Oh well.
I should have realised sooner, #6 is probably the biggest reason!Try #7, that it's cheaper. Bombardier is not a government railway that can afford to fluff around, they are in this to make a profit.![]()
Try #7, that it's cheaper. Bombardier is not a government railway that can afford to fluff around, they are in this to make a profit.Geeez you're up late JAP! I am pretty sure the lines are now connected at Goodwood anyway.
The road deliveries will continue even after the line is reconnected at Goodwood, it's simply a case of the road industry being willing to innovate and do a better job than the rail industry could.
Geeez you're up late JAP! I am pretty sure the lines are now connected at Goodwood anyway.More accurately an early start rather than a late night! I am partial to an early morning bike ride to take advantage of the flatter roads being clearer, but this time it was the more mundane issue of being up in plenty of time to get my sister to the airport for an early flight.
For all the discussion including a cycle way detour where are sets 4002, 4003.....?
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On the other hand, is it possible that the regular setbacks had the EMU procurement on the rocks and Bombardier cobbled together the first one mainly for the purpose of saving the deal, without having the next ones ready to follow at regular intervals?
Seeing as there's supposed to be (what) another 22 sets coming there should be another one coming soon surely? Over what time-frame are they supposed to be coming, eighteen months, two years? Anyway one working set is enough to test out the parameters of the line, clearances etc.They shouldn't need the train to test clearances, they should have all of that known before the design leaves the page.
All very exciting, can't wait to see what they look like out and about... and rub it in the face of my friend who said Adelaide would 'never, ever' have electric trains.
They shouldn't need the train to test clearances, they should have all of that known before the design leaves the page.
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As usual you're right Aaron. I must have imagined the Gawler, Noarlunga, Belair and Outer Harbour complete rebuilds with gauge-convertible concrete sleepers over the last ten years because I wasn't there to actually see it with my own eyes... silly me.I well remember when the advent of new suburban trains necessitated the very expensive shaving off of the faces of numerous brick platforms in Melbourne because someone goofed over the loading gauge. Clearances DO need to be checked. It was done with the extension of the tram line down King William Street. I was there, walking alongside the tram. I too have the impression that at least some of the activity that has been happening over the last several years has had something to do with the complete renewal of tracks (except for a few hundred metres on the up side of Warradale) and the first serious attempt in my very long lifetime to modernize the Adelaide suburban rail systems. PLEASE Aaron, get off your high horse and stop criticizing other peoples' messages almost as a knee jerk reaction. It would help if you actually read and thought about them before you make your comments. Three times recently, you have failed in this basic requirement for a proper debate on any subject.
I well remember when the advent of new suburban trains necessitated the very expensive shaving off of the faces of numerous brick platforms in Melbourne because someone goofed over the loading gauge.
I have heard the A city trains are already having modifications to account for local track conditions.I agree completely on both counts. Even if everything should be fine you still check just to avoid the big pointy hat with a D on it.
As one who has just spent today going through the tedium of equipment commissioning I can assure you that a clearance test will be well worth the effort.
Ian
Big hole around the coupler recess... A lot of crap could get in there... Probably wouldn't affect much I guess.
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