Fluoride should it be banned?

 
  1AC Chief Train Controller

Location: The Universe
how can you protect your teeth, with no flouride in your toothpaste?
"Ron_D"


Easy brush twice a day and especially after consuming sugared foods!
Go to the Dentist and get them cleaned and a non fluoride protector.
Fluoride wont save you regular brushing and diet will!

I doubt whatever industry that produces concentrated flouride gives it to the water authority for nothing (or next to nothing), it'd be considered more of a by product. You get alot of that when you're producing raw materials...
"simes_mk2"


We are paying for this stuff, Japan sends it to us and we dump it in our drinking water

I TRUST NO-ONE in authority! Government = Big Business.

A quick thought if you poison the water supply then there would less pensions to pay out in the future years, and think in say 20 Years Generation X will start claiming their Superannuation etc,big liability dont you think for the governments?
There is a big propoganda machine out there, remember Children overboard,Weapons of Mass Distraction I mean Destruction,New Orleans yeah right dont think Australia is exempt from this.
Think about it.[/quote]

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  realmakoym8 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Flouride or 2 flourine (more stable) binds to calcium and forms a barrier against acids! It does little else in small doses. The bacteria it fights is 1000 times more toxic!

So is tea if you want too much!
  Simes_mk2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
how can you protect your teeth, with no flouride in your toothpaste?
"Ron_D"


Easy brush twice a day and especially after consuming sugared foods!
Go to the Dentist and get them cleaned and a non fluoride protector.
Fluoride wont save you regular brushing and diet will!

I doubt whatever industry that produces concentrated flouride gives it to the water authority for nothing (or next to nothing), it'd be considered more of a by product. You get alot of that when you're producing raw materials...
"simes_mk2"


We are paying for this stuff, Japan sends it to us and we dump it in our drinking water

I TRUST NO-ONE in authority! Government = Big Business.

A quick thought if you poison the water supply then there would less pensions to pay out in the future years, and think in say 20 Years Generation X will start claiming their Superannuation etc,big liability dont you think for the governments?
There is a big propoganda machine out there, remember Children overboard,Weapons of Mass Distraction I mean Destruction,New Orleans yeah right dont think Australia is exempt from this.
Think about it.
"1AC"
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Watch out coz whenever you goto hospital, the needles they use implant a small microchip, so that the government and FIFA can track your every move  Twisted Evil  /sarcasim
  realmakoym8 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Yeah well deep fried chips! Now there is a conspirasy.................
  1AC Chief Train Controller

Location: The Universe
FIFA???

Why would the soccer federation want to know?

Rolling Eyes
  sempak Chief Train Controller

Location: Ringwood, VIC
Nope, that site certainly has nothing to do with Flouride in Australia. In fact it isn't to do with Flouride at all
"sempak"
Then that site has nothing to do with flouride.
"Ron_D"

How observant of you. *claps* I did say that it was a site about another dangerous chemical found in our water supplies, DHMO.


Why is it that Australians tend to go to non-Australian sites, with issues such as fluoride, etc, when it is a different set of circumstances for Australia?
Why is it that you choose to post a generic response without even looking at the link supplied?
"sempak"
I did look at the link. Sempak, did you have a look at my links?
"Ron_D"

Why yes I did. Turns out they use the same flouride overseas that they do here. Shocked
  Brassy Chief Commissioner

Location: Gippsland
Yes, and that flouride is not a chemical that falls out of the sky, nor is it a by-product of other industries.
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
What's that noise? It's those helicopters again, see 'em in the sky, they're always black! What does that tell you, huh? U.N. troops wait in salt mines, under Detroit of all places, to storm up from the sewers for door-to-door raids... to take our guns! They're trying to take our guns! Feminazis and eco-terrorists - I'm not making this up!
I got my back yard bunker - machine guns and grenades to protect myself from you trying to take them away...
  sempak Chief Train Controller

Location: Ringwood, VIC

I TRUST NO-ONE in authority! Government = Big Business.

A quick thought if you poison the water supply then there would less pensions to pay out in the future years, and think in say 20 Years Generation X will start claiming their Superannuation etc,big liability dont you think for the governments?
There is a big propoganda machine out there, remember Children overboard,Weapons of Mass Distraction I mean Destruction,New Orleans yeah right dont think Australia is exempt from this.
Think about it.
"1AC"


Ok that's pushing it a bit.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne

I TRUST NO-ONE in authority! Government = Big Business.

A quick thought if you poison the water supply then there would less pensions to pay out in the future years, and think in say 20 Years Generation X will start claiming their Superannuation etc,big liability dont you think for the governments?
There is a big propoganda machine out there, remember Children overboard,Weapons of Mass Distraction I mean Destruction,New Orleans yeah right dont think Australia is exempt from this.
Think about it.
"1AC"


Ok that's pushing it a bit.
"sempak"

No it's not. We all know that the New Orleans flooding was simply a way to distract the public and draw billions of US taxpayer funds away while the Government secretly plots to blow the west coast off the mainland Rolling Eyes
  Simes_mk2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
FIFA???

Why would the soccer federation want to know?

Rolling Eyes
"1AC"


You must of missed that Simpsons episode where Bart was put on dexies (to control his apparent ADHD/ADD) and virtually becomes a genius overnight. Then thinks that Major League baseball has a statilite orbiting the earth collecting market research data.....

That was the inspiritation for that post, gotta run, doing evacuation drills to the bunker.....
  1AC Chief Train Controller

Location: The Universe

You must of missed that Simpsons episode where Bart was put on dexies (to control his apparent ADHD/ADD) and virtually becomes a genius overnight. Then thinks that Major League baseball has a statilite orbiting the earth collecting market research data.....

That was the inspiritation for that post, gotta run, doing evacuation drills to the bunker.....
"Simes_mk2"



Ok dont knock the dexies, hahaha Im trying to open your minds a bit, away from the steel highways Wink

Nothing wrong with some cynical debate eh guys 8)  8)  8)
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Okay some quick things about Fluoride, and I am sorry that I cannot recall all of my sources as I read so much stuff I simply cannot hope to remember where I have read things...    

Fluoride IS NOT fluorine, in the same way that chloride is not chlorine... Fluoride is most definitely not a gas.... It's an anion, it's fluorine with an extra electron and unless it's forming part of hydrofluorous acid* it's reasonably harmless...    

Fluoride IIRC substitutes for certain parts of your tooth and or it's enamel something similar to the way in which chrome enriches steel to make it stainless. Strontium does similar things to calcium, by way of replacing it, but strontium is not very nice so I do not recommend strontium enriched tooth paste...    

Filtering WILL NOT remove fluoride, unless you have an expensive reverse osmosis filter, nor will a common filter remove chloride, nor nitrates nor sodium...    

Boiling WILL NOT remove fluoride either, in fact boiling your water probably concentrates what ever is in it (after all the steam evaporating off means that there's less water in your pot to dilute the nasties... Boiling will not remove bacteria, but it might kill them, they'll still be there, they'll just probably be dead...    

Distillation, however (when to trap and condense the steam to leave you water) will provide for fluoride, chloride, bacteria etc free water.    

Fluoride is no more toxic than anything else we live with everyday, hands up those that live near or travel down a main road most days... You are probably ingesting more lead per day than you are fluoride...    

If you want to be really scared have a look at how dangerous ozone is, and ozone is only three oxygen atoms joined together...    

I would also like to comment on TLDs post re MSG, MSG is really quite safe, so some people are allergic to it, but more people get ill and or die from peanut related allergies than MSG allergies. If the use of MSG was as wide spread as the use of peanuts, MSG would still not be considered major problem. I knowingly eat dishes containing MSG several times a week, sure I might be a little strange, but I am sort of fit and exceedingly healthy...  

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* Hydrofluorous (or hydrofluoric) acid is really something you do not want to meet if you do not need to! Skin contact, even in very dilute forms, can be fatal.  

I have worked with it on many highly stressful occasions and I am constantly amazed at what it can do. By quirk of chemistry, it is regarded as a weak acid, but it is one of the few that literally eats glass!
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I also buy the thursday plantation non-fluoride toothpaste as well.
"1AC"

Aaah yes, plantation toothpaste!  There is nothing worse than enviro-vandals who log old-growth toothpaste trees.  Makes me mad, it does.

Not... aaah.....  falling for the marketing are ya there, cobber?   Don't forget that in the early 90's, when environmental marketing took off, there were a lot of cowboys out there with things like "dolphin friendly" when it was shampoo or some bloody thing, or "this product was not tested on animals" when products of that type are a known, stable  technology of a hundred years' standing, and are never tested on animals anyway.

Eh, I think I need to go and club some seals.  Not for sport, oh no.  I need some seat covers....
"TheLoadedDog™"


I think that quite a case could be made for having clubbed seal seat covers, TLD™...

Think about it, they'd be "dolphin safe" - No dolphins would be harmed in the collecting of the seals and there would be less seals around to compete with dolphins for food!

Unless they were certified as being comfy by guinea pigs, rabbits or lab rats they would not be "tested on animals"

Seal skins are "100% natural" and would be "biodegradable" nor would they require the use of petrochemicals during manufacture.

I wonder how many *unwashed tree huggers* could be convinced to buy them?...
  sempak Chief Train Controller

Location: Ringwood, VIC
Aaah yes, plantation toothpaste!  There is nothing worse than enviro-vandals who log old-growth toothpaste trees.  Makes me mad, it does.
"TheLoadedDog™"


I beleive that Thursday Plantation make teatree based products. His toothpaste probably has teatree oil in it, extracted from none other than teatree plantations. Shocked
  realmakoym8 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I would buy seal seat covers! Very Happy




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  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The anti-fluoridation lobby is active again with Lismore Greens Councillor Vanessa Ekins successfully moving for fluoride to be removed from water supplies in that Council area. (See Daily Telegraph Wed 28 August 2013).

The Greens may be introducing a Bill to abolish the 1957 law that introduced fluoridation in the first place.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Fluoridated water has been around for a long time. However scientific studies are yet to find compelling evidence against its use.

On the other hand don't have much time for those who go overboard attacking those who don't believe it is safe. I'd simply bath them daily in dioxin + lead oxide + mercury laced water and let them powder off with asbestos dust:twisted:
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
The best way to avoid the additives to the water supply - use tank water!
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
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