2013 Federal Election - 7th September

 
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The Daily Telegraph front page was a play on Hogans Heroes. but hey, never let reality interfere with your efforts to find straws to clutch at.

Craig W
CraigW

That's a beautiful King Charles Caviller, Craig, is it your dog?  Lots of grooming?

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  jibbonpoint Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
I would appreciate a comment from 2301, who has repeatedly told us the economy is "in freefall"; "spiralling out of control" et al.

I quote The Australian from today, "Australia's economy grew 2.6 per cent over the year to June, extending its 21 year record of continual economic growth, the Australian Bureau of Statistics said today, with the quarterly economic growth rate accelerating slightly to 0.6 per cent over the three month period to June."

There are other news services also quoting the ABS, but one from a Rupert Murdoch-owned source is probably enough for our right-wing expert. I await his take on this with great interest.
Valvegear

Why don't you tell us what it means? What you do is pluck out facts or non-facts and then challenge others and waste time.

You have nothing to offer.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I would appreciate a comment from 2301, who has repeatedly told us the economy is "in freefall"; "spiralling out of control" et al.

I quote The Australian from today, "Australia's economy grew 2.6 per cent over the year to June, extending its 21 year record of continual economic growth, the Australian Bureau of Statistics said today, with the quarterly economic growth rate accelerating slightly to 0.6 per cent over the three month period to June."

There are other news services also quoting the ABS, but one from a Rupert Murdoch-owned source is probably enough for our right-wing expert. I await his take on this with great interest.
"Valvegear"
Did you read the whole article? I don't think you're telling us the full story are you? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt (I didn't buy any papers today) and say that maybe they left something out...

What does your everyday economist say the GDP needs to increase by PA to avoid a negative employment outcome? It's 3+% increase in GDP isn't it? What is the average expected value of GDP growth? It's probably somewhat more than 2.6%. The economy might have increased, but has it increased in line with what it's required to? On the data you've supplied it would seem not...
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I was actually asking 2301. He and I have a continuing discussion.
jibbonpoint's comments have already shown him to be incapable of addressing any subject with anything remotely resembling logic.
  jibbonpoint Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
I was actually asking 2301. He and I have a continuing discussion.
jibbonpoint's comments have already shown him to be incapable of addressing any subject with anything remotely resembling logic.
Valvegear

Oh, You're having a private conversation? I didn't realise. I can ignore you in the future.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Did you read the whole article? I don't think you're telling us the full story are you? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt (I didn't buy any papers today) and say that maybe they left something out...

What does your everyday economist say the GDP needs to increase by PA to avoid a negative employment outcome? It's 3+% increase in GDP isn't it? What is the average expected value of GDP growth? It's probably somewhat more than 2.6%. The economy might have increased, but has it increased in line with what it's required to? On the data you've supplied it would seem not...
"Aaron"
I'll do valvegear's proper research for him again. Just went back and read 'The ABC Online' it would seem the non 'cherry picked' version says these things:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-04/gdp-figures/4934100
[Quote="The ABC Online"]Economists generally consider average growth to be around 3.25 per cent a year.

Commonwealth Bank chief economist Michael Blythe says the result shows Australia's unemployment rate is likely to continue rising this year.

"The usual rule of thumb is that you need the economy to grow by about 3 per cent a year to stop unemployment from rising so, at 2.6 per cent, we’re not quite there," he said.[/quote] 'The Australian' says this:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/economics/australian-gdp-06pc-in-q2-26pc-on-year-abs-says/story-e6frg926-1226710471921
“Today’s numbers and more up-to-date information are consistent with the RBA’s view that the economy is growing at below-trend rates,” said Justin Fabo, senior economist at ANZ, which corroborates the Opposition’s argument that interest rate cuts have reflected weak economic growth.
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“The standout piece of bad news was the record drop in profits: gross operating surplus by corporations fell by 3.2 per cent in 2012/13 – the biggest fall since records were first maintained over 50 years ago,” Craig James, chief economist at Commsec, said.

“Hopefully the worst is over, but corporate Australia was right, it has been tough out there,” he added.

Despite the respectable increase in economic activity, Australia’s economic growth remains below its trend rate of around 3 per cent over the pre-GFC period, which continues to undermine government revenue forecasts.
"The Australian"
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

That's a beautiful King Charles Caviller, Craig, is it your dog?  Lots of grooming?
don_dunstan
He is my dog Don. His name is Bellamy. We have another one as well, named Bailey. Also have a Cocker Spaniel, Dalmation, five cats and two budgies!

They are lovely dogs Don, a bit of grooming but not that much effort. Great company and just happy to be around you.

Regards,

Craig W
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Craig: Yeah I've always loved the look of a King Charles but they look like they need constant grooming and I don't have enough room (or time) for a dog anyway.  And they are always happy to see you aren't they.

Four dogs and five cats, wow, that's dedication!  I have one cat, she was a stray I adopted years ago and she's more than enough for me... she's getting on now and sleeps most of the time.  Friends of mine have four cats and two dogs (all adopted strays) but they are on one acre in a small town whereas I live in a terrace with no backyard to speak of.
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
I am fascinated by some of the election promises, but two by Abbott really caught me.
"We will create two million new jobs."
"We will turn back the boats."
The first one sounds like pure Fantasyland; the second sounds like King Canute trying to turn back the sea.
I'd love to hear some detail of just how these will be accomplished.

Rudd, on the other hand, seems to be completely uninspired, with a slogan of "A new way." Does the leopard change its spots?
Valvegear

Hello Valvie, how are you mate?....It's funny how all the true Laborites are starting to sound very despondent.  If Krudd and Labor were doing such a good job I am sure that they would not be feeling this way.
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
I would appreciate a comment from 2301, who has repeatedly told us the economy is "in freefall"; "spiralling out of control" et al.

I quote The Australian from today, "Australia's economy grew 2.6 per cent over the year to June, extending its 21 year record of continual economic growth, the Australian Bureau of Statistics said today, with the quarterly economic growth rate accelerating slightly to 0.6 per cent over the three month period to June."

There are other news services also quoting the ABS, but one from a Rupert Murdoch-owned source is probably enough for our right-wing expert. I await his take on this with great interest.
Valvegear

Valve, one only has to observe what is happening around the place you know.  Just look around at all the empty shops, talk to people running coffee shops and taxi drivers to name a few - all good indicators too.

But yeah, Lateline just had some economist on saying to achieve growth the economy has to produce GDP of 3% and over.  We are currently at 2.6% and it looks like it is falling.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Thanks for the answer2301.
You made one unjustified assumption - I am not a "true Laborite".  You could call me a political cynic, who enjoys thrashing issues with true believers.
The only despondency I feel is the whole pre-election nonsense itself. It would have to be about the worst display I have seen in many years of watching elections. The negativity in this one is appalling. I am hard pressed to think of one Federal politician, of any colour, for whom I have respect.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Oh, You're having a private conversation? I didn't realise. I can ignore you in the future.
"jibbonpoint"

Nothing would give me greater pleasure.
  jibbonpoint Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
This lot in Canberra at present aren't Labor; they are a Collective of incompetents that have come from the Universities on a path to Government through the Unions. Dreamers & "Entitlement Claimers" with an experience of the world that generally consists of kissing the right asre.

They keep getting in because you keep voting for them.

Where are the members from the Shop Floor? The Electricians, Nurses even Engineers if you want some with a University Education.

Don't vote for them if you want that to change.

I'm about to stick Solar cells on my roof; it's being subsidised for by everyone including those that can't afford the subsidised cost. Tony will stop that so I'm getting in for my chop. Consider though the scheme as it was initially; you pay 20c per Kw/hr and get back 60c/Kw/hr. Labor did that. Stupid.

It wasn't just Howard's money that this lot of dill's have thrown away. The billions in the bank were accumulated by a succession of good Governments including Hawke/Keating who presided over some tough times as well when the AUD had to be floated and guided Australia through a recession.

Clear this lot out; as many as possible.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Labors been marginalised as an effective force.

Now it's Palmers turn (and that bloke's hardly a Laborite Surprised)

Abbott 'warns' about voting for 'minor parties'...

Surprise, surprise. Rosebud's 'The Fatherland' turns its propaganda machine against Clive.
Don't have to be Einstein to understand who's the big winner this election Rolling Eyes
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
When the media blackout starts, do we get one here as well?
  jibbonpoint Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
When the media blackout starts, do we get one here as well?
TheBlacksmith

Dunno, but there's no time to waste just in case. Get yours in now. Smile
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
This lot in Canberra at present aren't Labor; they are a Collective of incompetents that have come from the Universities on a path to Government through the Unions. Dreamers & "Entitlement Claimers" with an experience of the world that generally consists of kissing the right asre.
Jibbonpoint

That is so well put Jibbon!  The present bunch of Laborites are so out of touch with reality it is not funny.  What amazes me is how these people actually got to where they are and how they have stayed there given their lack of capabilities and track record.

I hope that they get totally thrashed just in the hope that it instigates a total cleanout and purge of the green-socialist/communist ideals that they have adopted over the last 30 years.
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
Valvegear The only despondency I feel is the whole pre-election nonsense itself. It would have to be about the worst display I have seen in many years of watching elections. The negativity in this one is appalling. I am hard pressed to think of one Federal politician, of any colour, for whom I have respect.
Valvegear

Whoah!  That's coming from you Valve...........Am I hearing right or what?  I would have thought going by your posts that you would have been a dyed in the wool Labor man.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Whoah!  That's coming from you Valve...........Am I hearing right or what?  I would have thought going by your posts that you would have been a dyed in the wool Labor man.
"2301

No; just playing Devil's Advocate. I can't vote for any mob I like, because I don't like any - all I can do is try to pick the lesser of the evils.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Just in case you'd mistakenly come to the conclusion that 'The Greens' were sane and rational... They're preferencing Craig Thompson #2 for Dobell, okay innocent until proven guilty and all that, but he's up for 150 fraud charges... Really Greens? Really? You think that's a good look?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Aaron - when I said I can't find any that I respect, I meant any.  If Lurgi the Wonder Dog was a candidate in Wills where I live, I'd ruddy-well vote for him.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Aaron - when I said I can't find any that I respect, I meant any.  If Lurgi the Wonder Dog was a candidate in Wills where I live, I'd ruddy-well vote for him.
Valvegear

It may be too late, but I have 8 dogs who could canvas more votes than most at present, and to top it off, they are better looking.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
It may be too late, but I have 8 dogs who could canvas more votes than most at present, and to top it off, they are better looking.
"TheBlacksmith"
Vote for Fido?
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Vote for Fido?
Aaron
Luigi the Wonder Dog.
  xdford Chief Train Controller

I am not sure that I want K Rudd but I definitely do not want Rupert Murdoch by puppet proxy under any circumstances...  the support from the Murdoch group has been gushing and I don't want a phone tapping, self serving, two storied  liar running my country through someone else!

xdford

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