City loop reversals

 
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Apparently, the Caulfield and Burley loops run counterclockwise during morning peak and the Northern loop does the opposite, with reversal occring around midday, the might cater well for workers commuting to the CBD, but can be confusing to irregular and off-peak passengers. Well, what if the reversals of the three loops occured consectively between the two peak periods, rather than all being concentrated at midday?

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  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
??? They do occur between the two peak periods. At midday.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Yes, I noted that, but they all reverse at midday, the question was what if the reversals happened at different times but still between the two peak periods?
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
They actually reverse at about 1:00pm on weekdays (probably because patronage is slightly lower at this time), although when the loop first opened I think the changeover occurred at 10:30am.

I'd like to see the Caulfield Loop change direction early, and Burnley Loop reversing just before school finishes so the interpeak express services can run a bit longer.
  Simbera Train Controller

I've heard tell that it was an operational requirement for them to change directions between peaks when the Loop first opened, but that it's no longer the case - something about the Jolimont Yard?

If so, why even bother changing directions at all? It's confusing, it creates a gap with essentially no service right in the middle of the day, and it makes it so that you can't get directly to Southern Cross (the departure point for all country trains and therefore a fairly important connection) from the loop stations all afternoon!

Unless I'm misinformed and it is still an operational requirement, I really don't see any advantage to reversing directions.
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

I've heard tell that it was an operational requirement for them to change directions between peaks when the Loop first opened, but that it's no longer the case - something about the Jolimont Yard?

If so, why even bother changing directions at all? It's confusing, it creates a gap with essentially no service right in the middle of the day, and it makes it so that you can't get directly to Southern Cross (the departure point for all country trains and therefore a fairly important connection) from the loop stations all afternoon!

Unless I'm misinformed and it is still an operational requirement, I really don't see any advantage to reversing directions.
Simbera

I'd suggest from observation the loop is reversed because the majority of the punters going home get on at each of the loop stations. Makes much more sense. Look at the idiocy of the Clifton Hill loop in the mornings were the train is mainly full departing Flinders and empties out around the hole. Much better if they too went in direct but you'd then have the Jolimont bottle neck.
  712M Chief Commissioner

The whole design of the loop was silly to begin with. All along the four tunnels should've run from North Melbourne to Richmond, bypassing Flinders Street, providing 4 additional paths through the city to compliment the 6 over the viaducts.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
The whole design of the loop was silly to begin with. All along the four tunnels should've run from North Melbourne to Richmond, bypassing Flinders Street, providing 4 additional paths through the city to compliment the 6 over the viaducts.
712M

The main reason for construction of the loop (aside from servicing northern and eastern sides of the CBD) was to increase the capacity through the Flinders Street platforms. With arrivals terminating and running back in the direction they came from, there was something like 6 movements per hour. Using the loop to create follow-on movements allowed something like 20 movements per hour.

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