Pacific National locos and workings

 
  BHPDash8 Station Master

4WP4 must have had loco troubles somewhere.
Arrived into Perth this afternoon as NR43 & NR 21 running BAAB Configeration.........and me without a camera.
Wallip
Sorry to ask, what does BAAB mean?

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  steamboy65 Train Controller

Location: Pemberton, Western Australia
as far as i know all diesel locomotives have a a and b end
  wagrttn Locomotive Driver

4WP4 must have had loco troubles somewhere.
Arrived into Perth this afternoon as NR43 & NR 21 running BAAB Configeration.........and me without a camera.
Wallip

I was waiting at Midland with camera and video but gave up (had my young son with me), then caught an opportune glimpse through the trees at Bells Rapids.

May I take this opportunity to ask (I was about to post in the Rolling Stock forum), approximately when did the Royal Wolf containers start appearing on the steel trains? I think they originate in Melbourne. Do they contain imported coil? I notice that the containers now display PN logos.

Thanks
  Wallip Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth
Sorry to ask, what does BAAB mean?
BHPDash8
Generally A end is the cab end, B end is the nose end, though I am not sure how they designated which is going to be A, and which B for a "box"style loco.

Therefore, on 4WP2 (Thanks 8888 ) NR43 at the front was Nose first, whilst NR21 was cab first, hence the 2 loco's being marshalled BA-AB.
Most PacNat 2 loco workings bave the locos ABBA, therefore having a cab at each end. As "8888" has enlightened, this was the case originally on 4WP2, however with NR21 having issues, and no way of turning NR43 around, the swapping of loco's resulted in NR43 effectivly running in reverse.

Very laymans answer, but hope it helps.

Cheers
  Wallip Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth
May I take this opportunity to ask (I was about to post in the Rolling Stock forum), approximately when did the Royal Wolf containers start appearing on the steel trains? I think they originate in Melbourne. Do they contain imported coil? I notice that the containers now display PN logos.
wagrttn
Royal Wolf are a container leasing company. In general more and more companies are leasing equipment rather than purchasing as there are generally better tax concessions, and less initial outlay.
If items are on long term lease, it is not uncommon to get the leasing company logos also attached. One prime example would be the EDI owned LDP loco's which were originally signed up on along term lease to QR National, hence are wearing QR National logo's.
  rwatts Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide SA
The largest sector of Royal Wolf's container leasing business is for portable storage and portable building (eg mining camps, etc).  At 31/12/2012 their freight and logistics lease fleet was just 10,246 containers compared to 25,293 in portable storage and 3,687 in portable buildings.

Royal Wolf was originally created to re-market retired marine shipping containers.  In other words containers which no longer met international standards for maritime (and probably rail) use could be refurbished and converted to all sorts of different uses (eg protective pedestrian footpaths around building sites).  That's changed to some extent as the above figures show and probably as a byproduct of their growth of which a large amount has been through acquisition of other companies.  Nonetheless that is why one will see lots of their containers around - but very few on rail.

Richard.
  wagrttn Locomotive Driver

The largest sector of Royal Wolf's container leasing business is for portable storage and portable building (eg mining camps, etc).  At 31/12/2012 their freight and logistics lease fleet was just 10,246 containers compared to 25,293 in portable storage and 3,687 in portable buildings.

Royal Wolf was originally created to re-market retired marine shipping containers.  In other words containers which no longer met international standards for maritime (and probably rail) use could be refurbished and converted to all sorts of different uses (eg protective pedestrian footpaths around building sites).  That's changed to some extent as the above figures show and probably as a byproduct of their growth of which a large amount has been through acquisition of other companies.  Nonetheless that is why one will see lots of their containers around - but very few on rail.

Richard.
rwatts

I appreciate the responses but I think perhaps I may need to re-phrase my query.

I may be wrong but from my (admittedly limited) observations the strings of Royal Wolf containers on steel trains into BlueScope Forrestfield is a relatively new thing (last few years?). I was hoping that someone may know roughly when this became common and what is their purpose - coil steel or other? From where? What did these containers replace?

Thanks if you can help a little.
  Australind Minister for Railways

Location: Perth, Western Australia
Friday 03/05/2013 Obs
6PM5: NR38 and NR113
6PS7: NR107, NR11 and NR109
6PM7: NR114 and NR95
6PM6: NR9, NR84, NR56 and NR20
  8888 Chief Commissioner

Location: Shire of Mundaring
NR77 / 5 arrived at Kewdale around 720 this morning with 9301 in tow.  9301 and fuel pod are here for crew training.
  JNSymes Junior Train Controller

^^^^^ interesting............

Also, there should be a double vanilla NR lash up heading east somewhere. Was sitting ready to go from PN kewdale about 4:45 yesterday
  JNSymes Junior Train Controller

Also, would that fuel pod be a bright orange tanktainer with some labelling on It? If so, I may have seek that particular lashup
  45568 Station Staff

NR77 / 5 arrived at Kewdale around 720 this morning with 9301 in tow.  9301 and fuel pod are here for crew training.
8888
What are they training for? Are 93s likely to be seen over here? Any heads-up on 93 activity here welcome1
Cheers,
Peter C.
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
What are they training for? Are 93s likely to be seen over here? Any heads-up on 93 activity here welcome1
Cheers,
Peter C.
45568

they must be going to use them over here as they would not send it over for the ride for nothing.
  8888 Chief Commissioner

Location: Shire of Mundaring
I understand that the plan is to use 93 class and in-line fuelling on the PN express services eg PM7, PS7.
  JNSymes Junior Train Controller

Anyone know why this morning's PN arrival (MP7? ) took a detour through the QR/SCT siding?
  Bulbous Deputy Commissioner

Noted this morning 9306 and another 93 with the inline fuelling heading west through Northam with a container train, with a CBH narrow gauge train about 100m behind it on the adjacent track heading west as well. Seems odd to have the fuel tanks next to the crew car, is this normal practise?
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
Noted this morning 9306 and another 93 with the inline fuelling heading west through Northam with a container train, with a CBH narrow gauge train about 100m behind it on the adjacent track heading west as well. Seems odd to have the fuel tanks next to the crew car, is this normal practise?
Bulbous

yes it is mate
  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
Generally A end is the cab end, B end is the nose end, though I am not sure how they designated which is going to be A, and which B for a "box"style loco.

Therefore, on 4WP2 (Thanks 8888 ) NR43 at the front was Nose first, whilst NR21 was cab first, hence the 2 loco's being marshalled BA-AB.
Most PacNat 2 loco workings bave the locos ABBA, therefore having a cab at each end. As "8888" has enlightened, this was the case originally on 4WP2, however with NR21 having issues, and no way of turning NR43 around, the swapping of loco's resulted in NR43 effectivly running in reverse.

Very laymans answer, but hope it helps.

Cheers
Wallip

I suspect that the 'A' end of a box or twin cab locomotive is the generator end. Typicaly a single cabbed loco has the alternator/ main generator on the cab side does it not? The WAGR/ ARG/ QRN/ AURIZON S 33XX class, the 'A' end is the cab on the end with the generator. Seems logical.
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
NR8/NR110 on incoming freight the other day.  NR8 has been starred since I last saw it.
  ALCO4401 Train Controller

Location: On the Branch waiting for a train order, west of Tarana
I appreciate the responses but I think perhaps I may need to re-phrase my query.

I may be wrong but from my (admittedly limited) observations the strings of Royal Wolf containers on steel trains into BlueScope Forrestfield is a relatively new thing (last few years?). I was hoping that someone may know roughly when this became common and what is their purpose - coil steel or other? From where? What did these containers replace?

Thanks if you can help a little.
wagrttn

Thats not Bluescope, they are on 144/143 & 142/141, the Nth Quay service into MGC.
It's just that the roads cross over that gives the impression they are for Bluescope
  wagrttn Locomotive Driver

Thats not Bluescope, they are on 144/143 & 142/141, the Nth Quay service into MGC.
It's just that the roads cross over that gives the impression they are for Bluescope
ALCO4401


Thanks for the reply, Alco.

The 20ft containers I referenced are indeed on the steel trains. When introduced they were tatty old China Shipping containers which were then repainted into the Royal Wolf standard grey scheme. Shortly afterwards one of the Royal Wolf logos on each side was replaced with a Pacific National logo. I have since been told that they are used to transport imported Chinese steel however I do not know from where this traffic originates in Australia.
  Wallip Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth
Kinda related since PN are the operator.
caught the MRL kwinana leg trains today

Dirty MRL004 lead clean MRL001 with the loaded train out of Forrestfield, followed by NR17 leading MRL005 with the empty consist into Forrestfield.

Also for anyone who cares, 8121 in PN colours is the current yard shunter for Kewdale
  M636C Minister for Railways

I suspect that the 'A' end of a box or twin cab locomotive is the generator end. Typicaly a single cabbed loco has the alternator/ main generator on the cab side does it not? The WAGR/ ARG/ QRN/ AURIZON S 33XX class, the 'A' end is the cab on the end with the generator. Seems logical.
DBclass

It might be easier to say that the radiator is at the B end, since you can't see an alternator from outside. Makes it easier for a DC or 81 or G or BL.

There was one locomotive, the NT class, that had the radiator at the cab end and the generator at the B end but that was all to do with weight balance to keep the axle load down.

M636C

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