Models at Sydney Exhibition 2013

 
  61672 Beginner

I have been a frequent visitor to Sydney from the UK over the last 8 years but always  seemed  to miss the Sydney Exhibition, but not this year. A trip to Victoria and SA last summer introduced me to the 5' 3" and what struck me was how that extra 6" makes the track look spidery and light weight. As a modeller in 3mm (TT) and S Scale for 40 years I was hoping to find something in these scales or some scratch built models. (A friend in the UK exhibits a 5' 3" Irish layout in S Scale and I believe a 3mm modeller also has built 5' 3" Irish models).  I've looked through the layout/ trade list but there is little information. Can anyone recommend layouts etc to look out for ?

Many thanks

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  M636C Minister for Railways

I have been a frequent visitor to Sydney from the UK over the last 8 years but always  seemed  to miss the Sydney Exhibition, but not this year. A trip to Victoria and SA last summer introduced me to the 5' 3" and what struck me was how that extra 6" makes the track look spidery and light weight. As a modeller in 3mm (TT) and S Scale for 40 years I was hoping to find something in these scales or some scratch built models. (A friend in the UK exhibits a 5' 3" Irish layout in S Scale and I believe a 3mm modeller also has built 5' 3" Irish models).  I've looked through the layout/ trade list but there is little information. Can anyone recommend layouts etc to look out for ?

Many thanks
61672

While the layout in question is in the UK and won't appear anywhere in this country, Continental Modeller Magazine has featured a layout in HO with 19mm gauge for 5'3" and HO for standard covering the VR North East line. This was built using materials for EM gauge in British prototype.

M636C
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
I have been a frequent visitor to Sydney from the UK over the last 8 years but always  seemed  to miss the Sydney Exhibition, but not this year. A trip to Victoria and SA last summer introduced me to the 5' 3" and what struck me was how that extra 6" makes the track look spidery and light weight. As a modeller in 3mm (TT) and S Scale for 40 years I was hoping to find something in these scales or some scratch built models. (A friend in the UK exhibits a 5' 3" Irish layout in S Scale and I believe a 3mm modeller also has built 5' 3" Irish models).  I've looked through the layout/ trade list but there is little information. Can anyone recommend layouts etc to look out for ?

Many thanks
61672

You are not likely to see a broad gauge layout in Sydney, it's a city of philistines locked into Stephenson's gauge.  There are only three exhibition layouts with broad gauge in HO scale that I know of.  They are all Victorian prototype, Nowingi, Tyobic (both  live in Victoria) and Broadford (which is in the UK) and they all use EM standards.  There is maybe only one home layout using EM and several using P87 including at least on SA prototype.

Sorry for the bad news, most of Australia would have been 5' 3" gauge if the NSW colonial government hadn't kept changing their mind.

Mark
  The railway dog Train Controller

Location: Adelaide Hills
Not much use to our friend 61672, but several years ago there was a P4 broad gauge exhibition layout in the Adelaide area & I've often wondered what became of it.
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
You are not likely to see a broad gauge layout in Sydney, it's a city of philistines locked into Stephenson's gauge.  There are only three exhibition layouts with broad gauge in HO scale that I know of.  They are all Victorian prototype, Nowingi, Tyobic (both  live in Victoria) and Broadford (which is in the UK) and they all use EM standards.  There is maybe only one home layout using EM and several using P87 including at least on SA prototype.

Sorry for the bad news, most of Australia would have been 5' 3" gauge if the NSW colonial government hadn't kept changing their mind.

Mark

Mark,

If the NSW Government hadn't changed their mind the first time then most of the Australian SE state railways would have been built to the Stephenson's gauge, not the Irish gauge.  

Maybe the other states (Vic and SA) were silly to listen to NSW at all!

Happy gauging,

John
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
Mark,

If the NSW Government hadn't changed their mind the first time then most of the Australian SE state railways would have been built to the Stephenson's gauge, not the Irish gauge.  
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John
c3526blue
That's true, that's why I included the word "kept".  Really it's a good thing SA and Vic changed the first time, they got the more attractive gauge and the one better described in metric terms.

Mark
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
In australia we tend to model standard gauge, and narrow gauge. Broad gauge is limited as already mentioned.

2ft 2ft 6inches and  3ft 6inches are the  top three narrow gauges modelled. At  Sydney chances are you will see Standard gaige and some narrow gauge....

Regards,
David Head
  Lloyd1952 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Sydney, Australia
Just as the majority of UK modellers run their 00 models on H0 track, so too, the majority of Victorian and South Australian Broad Gauge modellers accept the convenience of using Standard Gauge. At Liverpool, as has already been said, the bias will be NSW models. The exhibition floorplan and list of layouts is at http://www.amransw.asn.au/documents/2013_floor_plan.pdf


Lloyd
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
Not much use to our friend 61672, but several years ago there was a P4 broad gauge exhibition layout in the Adelaide area & I've often wondered what became of it.
The railway dog
I've not heard of a P4 (4mm scale) Broad Gauge layout but there are a couple of modellers working in Victoria using 4mm scale on 20mm gauge track.

So to go back to the OP, I don't think you will find an 3mm or S scale at the exhibition (the guide linked to earlier would tell you).  You will find scratch built models but not broad gauge or in those scales (wild assumptions here by me).

Mark
  61672 Beginner

Thanks for all the replies, I can see there are a lot of "politics" on gauge ! I remember having a similar discussion with a guy at the Sydney Tram Museum on why they were scrapped in Sydney and kept in Melbourne !

I have a friend in England in the S Scale Society who has been modelling WA narrow gauge for a number of years. If you look at the Gallery on their web site and open up Newmarket 2004( http://www.s-scale.org.uk/newmarket2004.htm ) you will find a picture of one of his locomotives. I have been slowly modelling na S Scale Belgium layout of the square chimney period for a number of years but that is another story....

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