State of train station under Westfield Doncaster

 
  Flagstaff Red Afro

Location: Eaglemont, Hursty line, Melbourne.
Someone in favour of a Doncaster railway line recently told me something intriguing: One of the first things built at the site of Doncaster's Westfield Shoppingtown was an underground railway station.  Firstly, did any of you know about this?




This would now sit at the foundation of the shopping centre and foundations especially in large buildings are difficult to alter.  Being well off regular access it's speculated this might have been turned into car park but nobody seems to know.  However, I'm sure someone around would know whether this railway station is intact.



This would be a great addition to the eventual railway line if it is.

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  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
I've never heard this before and suspect that it's nonsense.
If it is true I hope the platforms are able to take something longer than a 7-car Harris train.
  mathewklock Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne
I heard the same thing about Melbourne Airport many years ago.. But only put it down as water cooler chatter... As there was no evidence.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
If there was in fact a railway station beneath either of these locations there would be small hints that would give it away; stubs of where the entrance should be, vents, provision for a substation, etc.

One example is the Chandler Hwy exits, it looks like it was originally supposed to be built as a cloverleaf, as there are fenced off stubs on the city-bound ramps.

A quick Google tells me that at the time Doncaster Shoppingtown was built, the proposed Doncaster railway line would not have gone to or even near the shopping centre (it was to have travelled north of the shopping centre eventually ending up toward Warrandyte, possibly what is now The Pines?). Heavy-rail to Shoppingtown was never even considered until the early 1990s.
  Peter Spyker Train Controller

The rumour that I heard was that the Doncaster Line was actually built in the late 1930s, as a tunnel from East Kew right through to Donvale, but successive governments have refused to open it, because they want to torment us.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Someone in favour of a Doncaster railway line recently told me something intriguing: One of the first things built at the site of Doncaster's Westfield Shoppingtown was an underground railway station.  Firstly, did any of you know about this?




This would now sit at the foundation of the shopping centre and foundations especially in large buildings are difficult to alter.  Being well off regular access it's speculated this might have been turned into car park but nobody seems to know.  However, I'm sure someone around would know whether this railway station is intact.



This would be a great addition to the eventual railway line if it is.
Flagstaff
It sounds a bit odd, but I wouldn't put the idea completely away - maybe someone had some foresight & planned ahead...?

Planning like this isn't unheard of, but I suspect it's the kind of planning that goes into more modern railway infrastructure. There are numerous constructions around Melbourne to do with railways that hint of proposed expansion. Numerous locations from Camberwell to Burnley where it's obvious they planned for a forth track. The bridge at Mordialloc over the Nepean Highway where there is space for a third track. I believe the Melbourne Aquarium extensions were designed so that more railway tracks could be built if needed. And I've heard that the foundations under Southern Cross Station were built with provision for underground platforms/tracks if required.

As for shopping centres, it's probably a grey area and unless you had a look at the original designs for Westfield Doncaster, you wouldn't really know. Forward planning like this is not something shopping centre designers are known for. The owners of Chadstone fought off provisions that would planned for a future railway station under Chadstone when they applied for one of their later extensions in the last decade. It's been a long-term dream of some local councillors from both Boroondara, Monash & Stonnington to extend the Alamein line to Oakleigh via East Malvern station & Chadstone SC. But owners of Chadstone fought this proposal.

Still, in saying so, trying to find evidence of a lost station under Doncaster would be one major research project.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Still, in saying so, trying to find evidence of a lost station under Doncaster would be one major research project.
"jdekorte"


Might as well go looking for the lost city of Atlantis whilst we're at it.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Maybe that's why no-one has found the S class under Mount Newport - someone has moved it..
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Maybe that's why no-one has found the S class under Mount Newport - someone has moved it..
YM-Mundrabilla
Damn, I was looking forward to seeing it.  What is this world coming to?
  JGS Moderator Well. We'll see about THAT!

Location: Junee NSW
Perhaps someone was thinking about the nearby tram terminus. Mind you, it closed seventy three years before the shopping centre opened.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Good grieF this page here is full of CRAP AND MISINFORMATION, the original Doncaster line was to termonate at the corner of KIngs St and Blackburn Rd abd joining up with the old Kew Line. ( as on old SEC survey maps). A reserve had been put aside along the South side of the Eastern Freeway to somehow  swing over the Freeway to join the Northern Group of lines at Victoria Park. As u go over the Chandler Hwy u can clearly see an openiing, that was for a Railway. At no point in time has there ever been a proposal to put the railway thru Shoppingtown. The proposed railway would have passed at the Western end of Kings St then followed the natural contour of the land to where the current Park and Ride facility is at the bottom of  High St/ Doncaster Rd and the Eastern Fwy. As for a hidden station under Shoppingtown, I suggest u let u keep dreamin'..............
  ChoooChoo Chief Train Controller

Also, if this was the case at least some mention would have been made of it in the Doncaster Rail Study.

It was an independent study, and surely some mention in the cost/benefit analysis would have said "although tunneling to Doncaster would be prohibitive, the existence of a station building off sets some of this cost"

^very random example.

But it does sound like an interesting whisper nonetheless!
  Some rail man Junior Train Controller

Location: CIA Headquarters in Washington D.C
The land past the shopping center was sold in the Regan generation (1980's) for housing
  Flagstaff Red Afro

Location: Eaglemont, Hursty line, Melbourne.
Some very interesting insights there.

Admittedly I did find it strange to hear this for the first time, I'm certain I heard correctly.  I'm not so sure now of course, but will try to find out.  If true, then someone around would know, of course they could be anywhere.



/One example is the Chandler Hwy exits, it looks like it was originally supposed to be built as a cloverleaf, as there are fenced off stubs on the city-bound ramps./
Alstom888m
So that's what that is, I wrote it off to be some kind of park access.


It's been a long-term dream of some local councillors from both Boroondara, Monash & Stonnington to extend the Alamein line to Oakleigh via East Malvern station & Chadstone SC. But owners of Chadstone fought this proposal.
jdekorte
That's not surprising considering they're trying to attract the type that come with petrol as an easy affordability and a boot big enough to leave with whatever people are enticed to buy.  Having said that I can imagine Westfield Doncaster being different, not I think they are but each owners have varied preferences.  Chadstone is within 2km from two railway lines whereas Doncaster being a transport poor area would benefit from what happens at Box Hill.


Perhaps someone was thinking about the nearby tram terminus. Mind you, it closed seventy three years before the shopping centre opened.
JGS
I can see how the idea can arise from this, but having being built by the shopping centre it's unlikely it was confused.


Good grieF this page here is full of CRAP AND MISINFORMATION, the original Doncaster line was to termonate at the corner of KIngs St and Blackburn Rd ... The proposed railway would have passed at the Western end of Kings St then followed the natural contour of the land to where the current Park and Ride facility is at the bottom of High St/ Doncaster Rd and the Eastern Fwy. As for a hidden station under Shoppingtown, I suggest u let u keep dreamin'..............
trainbrain
It isn't a rumour I felt like mentioning or trying to spread, I had actually thought about this with a degree of certainty.  Admittedly I hadn't recently researched which way the proposed line was to run.  Of course, this has Westfield enticing the option to junction from the proposed alignment which would only have needed a 2km tunnel.


It was an independent study, and surely some mention in the cost/benefit analysis would have said "although tunneling to Doncaster would be prohibitive, the existence of a station building off sets some of this cost"
ChoooChoo
Well that.  Unless it was found out recently then I hazard a guess they don't know for certain.
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Is the Rumor True? Is A Railway Line
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  Amraks Junior Train Controller

I think the OP should go out and go exploring that building.

It would make a interesting youtube video.

"Looking for future railway station"
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
In the 1970s a cutting was made from the old goods yard at Victoria Park, towards the freeway, and it was understood at the time that this was to carry rail tracks to the freeway, where they would run down the median strip towards Doncaster.  But nothing came of it, and the cutting was later filled in.  This from Wikipedia:  "Construction work on a cutting at the Victoria Park end of the line commenced in 1974 to allow the line to access the freeway median strip, but ceased in August 1975 due to economic difficulties faced by the contractor. By October 1976 the Herald reported that the '$600,000 cutting' had been filled in with excavated earth from elsewhere, the reason given by officials was that it needed to be filled so the freeway could be completed."

I worked in Doncaster for a while, opposite Shoppingtown, and used to go there often during my lunch hour.  I never saw anything even remotely resembling the trappings of a proposed railway station, nor was there ever any local reference to one, nor was there an underground car park to my knowledge.  Public transport was always by bus;  I used to catch the one that runs between Heidelberg and Box Hill.

I think this "station" is an urban myth, but happy to be proved wrong.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Like  many things that grow out of rumours, this one fails the credibility test. If this underground station had been built, someone involved with the construction would have known about it and it would by now be public knowledge. You can't build something like that in secret.

And as I was around when Doncaster was being built, and lived not much more than a mile away from it, I can say with absolute certainty that no part of the construction I witnessed could even remotely be attributed to an 'underground station'. And I was watching it very carefully.
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

Someone in favour of getting rid of society's problems recently told me something intriguing: One of the first things built at the site of Melbourne Central was an underground execution chamber.  Firstly, did any of you know about this?
This would now sit at the foundation of the shopping centre and foundations especially in large buildings are difficult to alter.  Being well off regular access it's speculated this might have been turned into car park but nobody seems to know.  However, I'm sure someone around would know whether this execution chamber is intact.
This would be a great addition to society if it is.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
As with Lad Porter and Blacksmith, I'm very sceptical of the myth myself.  Dick Hamer started out with the best of intentions by committing money to modernise the tram system (it was obvious by the early 70's that we were going to keep it) and made all sorts of noises about the rail system of the future but by the end of his term as premier the Westgate, the South-Eastern and the Tullamarine were the priorities.  I don't think they were ever really serious about the Doncaster rail link - the hilly terrain would have made it a really expensive proposition and in those days rail patronage was still flat-lining.  As I recall there was almost nothing done on the ground to indicate they were serious - the land set aside through Templestowe was sold off not long after the Eastern was opened.

Message to the locals: Buy a car.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Just digging a large enough hole for such a station would take considerable time, which would have been noticed. No to mention the re-enforcing bars and concrete pours. If it were down there, it would be a very big void, which would fill with water, and need almost constant pumping.

There is one thing however that gives this zero credibility, why would anyone put a station under a shopping centre, without also putting the railway tunnels in as well. Only an insane person would try and tunnel under such a large building with a tunneling machine, when there was a way to avoid it in the first place.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Only an insane person would try and tunnel under such a large building with a tunneling machine, when there was a way to avoid it in the first place.
"fabricator"
Remember you're talking about Victoria! I've lived here all my life, and we've got our share of official insanity, believe me.
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I think the OP should go out and go exploring that building.

It would make a interesting youtube video.

"Looking for future railway station"
Amraks
Sorry For The late reply
I Live In Kensington And I Have Other Stuff To Do
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Well I Think The Myth Is Not True

If You Live around there Just Go On The Bus Or Buy A Car
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Someone in favour of getting rid of society's problems recently told me something intriguing: One of the first things built at the site of Melbourne Central was an underground execution chamber.  Firstly, did any of you know about this?
Madjikthise

The smell that always seems to be in the Melbourne Central car parks makes me think it was a gas chamber and it's sprung a leak.

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