Pacific National trainee and qualified drivers - NSW & VIC

 
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

So when are they advertising for Enfield? Or will be internally only?
Cheers, Anthony.
DFB7307
I'd suggest that no-one on this thread would have a better idea than the HR person and even he wouldn't know 100%. If he has mentioned it on this forum, its reasonable to assume positions will be publicly advertised.

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  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
So when are they advertising for Enfield? Or will be internally only?
Cheers, Anthony.
DFB7307
Should be soon as an earlier post by Stuart suggested they wanted trainees to start in November, recruitment process takes a bit over a month.

Moss Vale Bulk should also be advertising later this year as a new contract mine comes into production.
  DFB7307 Locomotive Driver

Location: Too far away from the railway line!
I'd suggest that no-one on this thread would have a better idea than the HR person and even he wouldn't know 100%. If he has mentioned it on this forum, its reasonable to assume positions will be publicly advertised.
fzr560

Just heard a rumour it was only gonna be advertised internally was all
  Mickyh6188 Beginner

Should be soon as an earlier post by Stuart suggested they wanted trainees to start in November, recruitment process takes a bit over a month.

Moss Vale Bulk should also be advertising later this year as a new contract mine comes into production.
"Spiritman"


Hopefully Moss Vale is sooner rather than later I have been waiting for them to advertise for trainees since the last intake in early feb this year. I asked Stuart a couple of weeks ago about Moss Vale in particular and he said at this stage nothing but maybe later in the year as you suggest. Which is great ill def be keeping an eye out that's for sure.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Hopefully Moss Vale is sooner rather than later I have been waiting for them to advertise for trainees since the last intake in early feb this year. I asked Stuart a couple of weeks ago about Moss Vale in particular and he said at this stage nothing but maybe later in the year as you suggest. Which is great ill def be keeping an eye out that's for sure.
Mickyh6188
Same.... I'm not far from Moss Vale, small depot next to Moss Vale station, heard that the last intake were not very busy due to the seasonal nature of wheat trains.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Just heard a rumour it was only gonna be advertised internally was all
DFB7307
It was not a rumour, they have been advertised internally.
  DFB7307 Locomotive Driver

Location: Too far away from the railway line!
It was not a rumour, they have been advertised internally.
Spiritman

Always the way!
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
Always the way!
DFB7307

most companies will take from internally if they can before they advertise externally as it is cheaper and easier.
  DFB7307 Locomotive Driver

Location: Too far away from the railway line!
most companies will take from internally if they can before they advertise externally as it is cheaper and easier.
wn514

How does that work? Don't they then have to replace those employees?
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
How does that work? Don't they then have to replace those employees?
DFB7307
Yeah, don't know if it any less costly as they still have to have people out whether they are internal or external candidates. Advertising on Seek wouldn't be cheap though.

However it would be easier progressing an internal candidate though the recruitment process as they are a known quantity already. We'll have to ask Stuart how internal and external compare.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Hi All

PN looking for Terminal Operators aka Shunters http://www.seek.com.au/job/25449162...this would be a good opportunity for those seeking Trainee Driver roles. Not sure if I'll be giving it a go as being 2-2.5 hours away in Sydney will count against me Sad
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Hi All

PN looking for Terminal Operators aka Shunters http://www.seek.com.au/job/25449162...this would be a good opportunity for those seeking Trainee Driver roles. Not sure if I'll be giving it a go as being 2-2.5 hours away in Sydney will count against me Sad
Spiritman
TO's do a lot more then just "shunting", so avoid the urge to call them shunters. They work 12 hour shifts at Enfield, and you may only have 11 hours off between shifts, so if you live more then 40" away (which is becoming a new thing in the rail industry to manage employee fatigue to and from work) you will be at a significant disadvantage.
Once again, locals will be preferred as is another "in thing" for the industry.

Bulk does not have a transition system from TO to driver, so if a driver's position were to open, you will need to undergo the entire recruitment phase- remembering that if they cannot release you from TO you may find it harder to get the position.

It is extremely rare for  the metrop TO's to go into the drivers ranks given recent history, so by no means think that this will be your ticket into the drivers job. Indeed, if you were to mention it at the interview it would probably be a mark against you- they are after long term TO's to cover recent retirements.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Shunters probably did a lot of other things in the old days aswell, and this day and age you must be prepared for all types of work in any position, they call it multiskilling. I know the intermodal boys don't employ trainees and have been told that TO's have the opportunity to progress to trainee drivers in that division if one becomes available. As you suggest Bulk use a different strategy when it comes to drivers and TO's.

What about the Coal division?
  DFB7307 Locomotive Driver

Location: Too far away from the railway line!
TO's do a lot more then just "shunting", so avoid the urge to call them shunters. They work 12 hour shifts at Enfield, and you may only have 11 hours off between shifts, so if you live more then 40" away (which is becoming a new thing in the rail industry to manage employee fatigue to and from work) you will be at a significant disadvantage.
Once again, locals will be preferred as is another "in thing" for the industry.

Bulk does not have a transition system from TO to driver, so if a driver's position were to open, you will need to undergo the entire recruitment phase- remembering that if they cannot release you from TO you may find it harder to get the position.

It is extremely rare for  the metrop TO's to go into the drivers ranks given recent history, so by no means think that this will be your ticket into the drivers job. Indeed, if you were to mention it at the interview it would probably be a mark against you- they are after long term TO's to cover recent retirements.
seb2351

Then where do the internal applicants come from if its not TO's?
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Shunters probably did a lot of other things in the old days aswell, and this day and age you must be prepared for all types of work in any position, they call it multiskilling. I know the intermodal boys don't employ trainees and have been told that TO's have the opportunity to progress to trainee drivers in that division if one becomes available. As you suggest Bulk use a different strategy when it comes to drivers and TO's.

What about the Coal division?
Spiritman
*Looks at the 8 off the street trainees in my depot*

Intermodal can and do hire trainees- both internally as second persons and off the street with no prior rail experience.

Under the new recruitment system, regardless of division if you want to apply for higher grade position will need to run the entire recruitment process. The days of the "foot in the door" are rapidly closing, and given how highly competitive the industry is, it is no wonder. As I previously warned- A TO position is not going to make it easier to get a driver's position and it will count as a mark against your name if you move too soon out of the job.

TO's from an Intermodal perspective will give you jack squat experience as to what a driver does or the skills necessary beyond how to align a piece of metal. With the exception of bulk, TO's do the ground work for the other divisions. No depot I am aware of in PN has TO's that drive locomotives yet.

SFT used to offer a program that a TO could progress to driver, but under the new EA as well that progression is gone. All position must be advertised. Merit based selection, whether you hate it or love it, seems to have sunk its teeth well and truly in the industry now days.

As a generic reminder as well, it really isn't that hard to work out who is applying for a position if they have been active on-line in forums such as these. It is known fb, rp etc etc are checked by PN so if you want to give your application a good start- show the right attitude. I saw a thread elsewhere on this forum where someone has clearly burnt their bridges with one company.
Focus your efforts on how your going to get your resume read over the 8000+ applications and how your going to interview. Those first 10 seconds will more often then not decide the outcome of the interview.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
*Looks at the 8 off the street trainees in my depot*

SFT used to offer a program that a TO could progress to driver, but under the new EA as well that progression is gone. All position must be advertised. Merit based selection, whether you hate it or love it, seems to have sunk its teeth well and truly in the industry now days.
seb2351
What mix of experience did the trainees have? And when were they employed? Reason I ask is that I get the impression that selection criteria has tightened from a couple of years ago.

That TO program you describe is what I was referring to (learned about it from someone who works at SFT). However as a TO, even though the skill set is obviously different to a driver, you do learn the safety and regulatory aspects of working around rail transport. As I said previously I get the impression that future intake of trainees may be tending towards people with some experience in the heavy transport industry, which will have similar safety and regulatory aspects as rail.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
What mix of experience did the trainees have? And when were they employed? Reason I ask is that I get the impression that selection criteria has tightened from a couple of years ago.
Spiritman
1 from an Office background, 1 was near straight from high school another was a carpenter... Most recent hiring was back in April/May this year.

We get a good mix of people from a variety of backgrounds. The common traits I have seen are:
*Local!!
*All have good communication skills
*All have a positive attitude about the job
*All have common sense

Besides that, there is no other links that I can see.


So chin up, you never know you might yet see an opening at SFT for an off the street type Smile
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
1 from an Office background, 1 was near straight from high school another was a carpenter... Most recent hiring was back in April/May this year.

We get a good mix of people from a variety of backgrounds. The common traits I have seen are:
*Local!!
*All have good communication skills
*All have a positive attitude about the job
*All have common sense

Besides that, there is no other links that I can see.


So chin up, you never know you might yet see an opening at SFT for an off the street type Smile
seb2351
Thanks Seb, seems like a wide cross section of people, so maybe my fear that they were tightening the selection criteria are unfounded. Although I could have sworn I saw an ad for Trainee Drivers for PN that wanted an MR licence as desirable.

SFT positions are unlikely in the short term given the current economic conditions. Asciano CEO warns of a slowdown in incoming container traffic. Positions more likely to be in Bulk (or Coal), in NSW Enfield (as Stuart has flagged earlier this month) and Moss Vale as new contracts kick in.

Not sure about other NSW regional Bulk depots...but I'm not local to any of the others anyway.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

1 from an Office background, 1 was near straight from high school another was a carpenter... Most recent hiring was back in April/May this year.

We get a good mix of people from a variety of backgrounds. The common traits I have seen are:
*Local!!
*All have good communication skills
*All have a positive attitude about the job
*All have common sense

Besides that, there is no other links that I can see.


So chin up, you never know you might yet see an opening at SFT for an off the street type Smile
seb2351
No axe murderers? Never mind, you can borrow some of ours.....
  rook Locomotive Driver

I know of 8 shunters that have become drivers in the last 2 years alone.

As pointed out above, they know their way around a railyard:  they have an understanding of general rail-industry safety standards, and more specifically of (in-yard) signalling and train testing.  They're used to 7/24 shift work.  And in an interview, the better-prepared ones will have a full repertoire of rail-specific war stories to provide examples of safety, teamwork, communications skills, etc.

There's indeed a reluctance throughout the industry to allow shunters to move up to driver within the same company.  But there's no reluctance at all to poach them from rivals into trainee driver schools.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
I know of 8 shunters that have become drivers in the last 2 years alone.

As pointed out above, they know their way around a railyard:  they have an understanding of general rail-industry safety standards, and more specifically of (in-yard) signalling and train testing.  They're used to 7/24 shift work.  And in an interview, the better-prepared ones will have a full repertoire of rail-specific war stories to provide examples of safety, teamwork, communications skills, etc.

There's indeed a reluctance throughout the industry to allow shunters to move up to driver within the same company.  But there's no reluctance at all to poach them from rivals into trainee driver schools.
rook
ARRRRGGGGH...decisions....decisions...PN Bulk have advertised Trainee TO's

http://www.seek.com.au/job/25468536?savedSearchID=8045793&tracking=JMC-0000784j&etcid=4428&etrid=5c2a0168-e286-e211-a4be-9c8e992ccf48 ..Sydney Western Suburbs.

Would that mean that they are at Enfield/Chullora/Clyde?
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
ARRRRGGGGH...decisions....decisions...PN Bulk have advertised Trainee TO's

http://www.seek.com.au/job/25468536?savedSearchID=8045793&tracking=JMC-0000784j&etcid=4428&etrid=5c2a0168-e286-e211-a4be-9c8e992ccf48 ..Sydney Western Suburbs.

Would that mean that they are at Enfield/Chullora/Clyde?
"Spiritman"


Enfield only.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
ARRRRGGGGH...decisions....decisions...PN Bulk have advertised Trainee TO's

http://www.seek.com.au/job/25468536?savedSearchID=8045793&tracking=JMC-0000784j&etcid=4428&etrid=5c2a0168-e286-e211-a4be-9c8e992ccf48 ..Sydney Western Suburbs.

Would that mean that they are at Enfield/Chullora/Clyde?
"Spiritman"


Enfield only.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Asciano has just announced the takeover of Mountain industries, hopefully the bulk/intermodal contracts along with it, which may open up some opportunities for more drivers at Newcastle and Enfield.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

Asciano has just announced the takeover of Mountain industries, hopefully the bulk/intermodal contracts along with it, which may open up some opportunities for more drivers at Newcastle and Enfield.
Spiritman
Based on recent events, I'd guess Moss Vale will do all of the Forbes work except for the stripping and back-loading. Don't know if 3 shifts a week would justify another intake.

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