Third Melbourne Airport - Koo Wee Rup

 
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/residents-divided-over-third-melbourne-airport-proposed-near-koo-wee-rup/story-fni0fiyv-1226735023094
Would only make sense if the old Leongatha line is rebuilt from Cranbourne to this proposed airport site.  And probably double-tracked too, along with Dandenong - City Quadruplication

Then again, how hard is it to get any government to commit to connecting Tullamarine to the rail network?

Maps here, and that deserves a whole new thread too:
http://www.planmelbourne.vic.gov.au/Plan-Melbourne/map-room

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/residents-divided-over-third-melbourne-airport-proposed-near-koo-wee-rup/story-fni0fiyv-1226735023094
Would only make sense if the old Leongatha line is rebuilt from Cranbourne to this proposed airport site.  And probably double-tracked too, along with Dandenong - City Quadruplication

Then again, how hard is it to get any government to commit to connecting Tullamarine to the rail network?

Maps here, and that deserves a whole new thread too:
http://www.planmelbourne.vic.gov.au/Plan-Melbourne/map-room
Carnot
If even the hopeless Herald Sun can get the pronunciation and grammar correct; is it too much to expect railfans to also spell Koo Wee Rup the way it's meant to be Question

Mike. Rolling Eyes
  Flagstaff Red Afro

Location: Eaglemont, Hursty line, Melbourne.
If even the hopeless Herald Sun can get the pronunciation and grammar correct; is it too much to expect railfans to also spell Koo Wee Rup the way it's meant to be?
The Vinelander
Now now, I didn't notice until you pointed out, and type "Kooweerup" into Google Earth/Maps and it takes you straight to Koo Wee Rup.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

If even the hopeless Herald Sun can get the pronunciation and grammar correct; is it too much to expect railfans to also spell Koo Wee Rup the way it's meant to be Question

Mike. Rolling Eyes
The Vinelander
Yeah, pretty poor effort on my part.  Losing that hour of sleep on Sunday morning when Daylight saving started hasn't helped either Confused
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Is a third airport really necessary?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Is a third airport really necessary?
railblogger
If there is 7.4 million living in Vic by 2031, probably yes.  5.4 million in Melb metro area alone.

The whole point is that a large proportion of those 5.4 million will be living in the Eastern suburbs.  If it takes some pressure off traffic through the city, then perhaps a good idea?
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
And although it should be relatively easy to re-activate the South Gippy rail line, duplicating it would be extremely costly. But is a rail connection really necessary? An airport at Koowee would presumably have a catchment in the east of Melbourne, so it is probably less likely they would travel there by train.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Is a third airport really necessary?
railblogger
It's debatable whether Avalon is necessary, let alone another new airport but this time out in the south-east. Tullamarine has plenty of room to expand and you get additional network effect benefits when you centralise airports. Think of it this way - do most people come to London via Heathrow or via Gatwick? The answer: In 2012, Gatwick had 34 million passengers, Heathrow had 70 million.

The Victorian Government should focus on improving transport links to Tullamarine - more buses, dedicated bus lanes and eventually an airport rail line.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
It's debatable whether Avalon is necessary, let alone another new airport but this time out in the south-east.
LancedDendrite
Avalon has endless room to expand; it's not being properly utilised now as it is.  I think the purpose of having a third airport in the East is to give a domestic terminal to people over that side of town but the issue will be (as with Avalon) trying to get airlines to tenant the place given that it's really Tullamarine that preferred because you can successfully make a transfer to an international flight etc.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Avalon Airport at present is a Domestic airport for Geelong/Werribee, and Melbournians on a budget.

Koo Wee Rup Airport on the other hand would have a much larger population catchment. i.e. 40% of Melbourne + Gippsland.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
If there was a "Heathrow Express" type fast rail connection from the Eastern side of the city, where the majority of Melbourne still resides, we wouldn't need to even consider a third airport. To me, this proposed third airport has more to do with the failure of effective transport links across the city than it does with actual need.  I also agree with other posters here that there are economies of scale and network to be gained by keeping the majority of flights at one airport and anyway, Tullamarine is actually nowhere near capacity.  And even once it gets to capacity there's plenty of room to expand.
  VRcommando Junior Train Controller

Location: VOZ
There was an WW2 Aerodrome at Monomeith, the runways still visible from Google Earth. This would be the most likely site as it is ideally flat.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Avalon has endless room to expand; it's not being properly utilised now as it is.  I think the purpose of having a third airport in the East is to give a domestic terminal to people over that side of town but the issue will be (as with Avalon) trying to get airlines to tenant the place given that it's really Tullamarine that preferred because you can successfully make a transfer to an international flight etc.
don_dunstan wrote:
The Tullamarine 'master plan' is here. Up to two new runways, two new terminals and expanded existing terminals. Plenty of room for growth and nothing like the situation up in Sydney with KSA.

Avalon won't be properly utilised unless the State Govt. lures some airlines from Tullamarine other than a couple of budget ones. It's a waste of time to do anything other than promote it as a regional airport, IMO.


To me, this proposed third airport has more to do with the failure of effective transport links across the city than it does with actual need.
don_dunstan wrote:
Nailed it on the head here. Quadruplicate the Dandenong corridor and build a Melbourne Airport Rail Link and no-one in their right mind will bother with a south-east airport.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
The Tullamarine 'master plan' is here. Up to two new runways, two new terminals and expanded existing terminals. Plenty of room for growth and nothing like the situation up in Sydney with KSA.

Avalon won't be properly utilised unless the State Govt. lures some airlines from Tullamarine other than a couple of budget ones. It's a waste of time to do anything other than promote it as a regional airport, IMO.


Nailed it on the head here. Quadruplicate the Dandenong corridor and build a Melbourne Airport Rail Link and no-one in their right mind will bother with a south-east airport.
LancedDendrite
Agreed. Even activating the old South Gippy line still produces a feed from Dandenong to the proposed airport, when the majority of traffic would not be originating in the Dandenong area. There is no cross line to serve Gippsland.
For anyone going to Tulla from Gippsland, the only practical alternative at present is to drive there, only to find the parking costs are close to your airline fare.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Agreed. Even activating the old South Gippy line still produces a feed from Dandenong to the proposed airport, when the majority of traffic would not be originating in the Dandenong area. There is no cross line to serve Gippsland.
For anyone going to Tulla from Gippsland, the only practical alternative at present is to drive there, only to find the parking costs are close to your airline fare.
TheBlacksmith
Correction - MORE than your airline fare...
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Yeah, pretty poor effort on my part.  Losing that hour of sleep on Sunday morning when Daylight saving started hasn't helped either Confused
Carnot
Wondering if you will amend your thread title accordingly?

Mike...
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
And strictly speaking, the proposed airport at Koo Wee Rup would be the fifth commercial aviation airport in Melbourne.
  LamontCranston Chief Commissioner

If there is 7.4 million living in Vic by 2031, probably yes.  5.4 million in Melb metro area alone.

The whole point is that a large proportion of those 5.4 million will be living in the Eastern suburbs.  If it takes some pressure off traffic through the city, then perhaps a good idea?
Carnot
They cant provide public transport for them, but an airport no worries.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
They cant provide public transport for them, but an airport no worries.
LamontCranston
Yeah it's a strange world we live in where they'd rather build an additional airport than provide proper transport links across the city; parking at Tullamarine is the killer (as others have mentioned).
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
They cant provide public transport for them, but an airport no worries.
LamontCranston
In all likelihood by 2031 planning will be under way for a high speed rail service along the east coast.

This along with Sydney's need for a second commercial airport will probably largely offset that perceived future need for an eastern airport in Melbourne.

Mike.

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