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      Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Under Hilton Bridge
    How did a train Guard get "alright" to leave Adelaide railway station....and then he could wave his green flag and whsitle to the engineman.  So, nothing to do with a buzzer on the Redhen or Bluebird...it's more about how did the Guard know it was all clear to leave?  Easy if you're more than 40 years old!! Shocked
    Posted: 13 Oct 2013 18:20

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      xdford Chief Train Controller

    How did a train Guard get "alright" to leave Adelaide railway station....and then he could wave his green flag and whsitle to the engineman.  So, nothing to do with a buzzer on the Redhen or Bluebird...it's more about how did the Guard know it was all clear to leave?  Easy if you're more than 40 years old!! Shocked
    Top Cat
    The disc signals at the end of the platforms? Set by the Signal box? or was there a "secret" signal light?

    Cheers

    Trevor
    Posted: 13 Oct 2013 18:31
      Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Under Hilton Bridge
    Ahhh haaaa!   Maybe it's not as well known as I thought!   No, sadly not correct, and not really warm?Was tampered with by people some time causing "embarassing results"....a clue there. Wink
    Posted: 13 Oct 2013 19:09
      Guard Class 2 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Elizabeth,South Australia
    Was going to say the Porter at the barriers would give a Right of Way to the Guard when the gates were closed, but that doesn't fit with your clue.
    Sad
    Posted: 13 Oct 2013 21:08
      Guard Class 2 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Elizabeth,South Australia
    Did they have a light at the Station end of the platform that was operated by said gate attendant?
    Posted: 13 Oct 2013 21:09
      Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Under Hilton Bridge
    Correct......the designated Barrier Porter for that platform MUST illuminate (turn on a bakerlight switch) white light, mounted about 3 m from ground level...which was acknowledged by the Guard who then did "his" job.....some smart asses, especially at peak hour, would rush onto their train and flick this switch when the Barrier Porter wasn't looking and any "not so smart" Guard would depart!! Seen it happen more than once....and no I didn't do it!  They'll be lots more in my book!Wink
    Posted: 13 Oct 2013 21:28
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    As I recall the switch it was a semi rotary switch with as TC says a Bakelite knob.

    The barriers were closed first then the porter operated the switch. The barriers were kept closed until the train had moved far enough up the platform to discourage latecomers trying to join it. Saw this from the wrong side of the barrier a few times.
    Posted: 13 Oct 2013 23:15
      Guard Class 2 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Elizabeth,South Australia
    Thanks TC, I vaguely recall these in the distant past.
    Wink

    Usually Train Orders were issued for a single movement along a particular line.
    Can you name 2 lines (starting and ending locations where Train Orders were issued for a forward and return movement all on the one Order.
    Posted: 14 Oct 2013 12:13
      duttonbay Minister for Railways

    Kowulka-Kevin and Yaninee-Mount Hope?
    Posted: 14 Oct 2013 14:01
      Guard Class 2 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Elizabeth,South Australia
    You obviously read the same books as me, Duttonbay.

    Staff to you!
    Posted: 14 Oct 2013 18:10
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    What about Peebinga-Karoonda, Monarto South-Sedan/Cambrai, Bumbunga Lochiel, Wambi-Yinkani/Wunkar, Sandergrove-Milang?
    Even if one of these is right Dutton Bay can keep the peg.
    Posted: 14 Oct 2013 20:21
      Guard Class 2 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Elizabeth,South Australia
    Really not sure about those, Ian.

    I believe Bumbunga - Lochiel was like that, but don't know any of the others.
    Perhaps someone else has some idea?
    Posted: 14 Oct 2013 22:06
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    Eudunda to Robertstown was permissive block with a train record book at I guess Eudunda.

    Cliff Olds would know.
    Posted: 14 Oct 2013 22:36
      alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Auburn
    Record book was at Eudunda Ian
    Posted: 03 Nov 2013 01:46
      xdford Chief Train Controller

    Nothing seems to have been happening so a quick trivia question to keep the ball rolling...

    Peterborough division 830's in particular as they weathered were always a darker hue than their Adelaide division cousins and there was a fairly good reason for that happening... any one else know why?

    Happy New Year

    Trevor
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 12:25
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    Nothing seems to have been happening so a quick trivia question to keep the ball rolling...

    Peterborough division 830's in particular as they weathered were always a darker hue than their Adelaide division cousins and there was a fairly good reason for that happening... any one else know why?

    Happy New Year

    Trevor
    xdford

    Sulphide ore dust.
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 16:54
      xdford Chief Train Controller

    Sulphide ore dust.
    steam4ian

    The ore dust was not the particular reason although cleaning it off might have been an issue. The Dust would have trailed the locos for most of their travelling... it is more to do with the cleaning itself. So another guess?

    Cheers

    Trevor
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 18:54
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    Don't tell me they still rubbed them down with tallow?
    Posted: 04 Jan 2014 09:17
      xdford Chief Train Controller

    Don't tell me they still rubbed them down with tallow?
    steam4ian

    Not Tallow but another unusual substance... at least I thought so at the time! An answer will be forthcoming in a day if it does not get a guess... no point in teasing anyone!

    Trevor
    Posted: 04 Jan 2014 09:23
      xdford Chief Train Controller

    Not Tallow but another unusual substance... at least I thought so at the time! An answer will be forthcoming in a day if it does not get a guess... no point in teasing anyone!

    Trevor
    xdford

    The standard cleaner used for 830's at Peterborough in particular was dieseline, which had the effect of darkening the paint over a period of time whereas the Adelaide division locos which were washed by steam baths lightened the paint. The paint on 600's was not well applied and consequently thinned and got patchy in a fairly short period.

    I'll try to think of another or the floor can be open...

    Trevor
    Posted: 05 Jan 2014 20:14
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    Trevor.
    The dieseline would have browned off the yellow much as WD40 will brown colours. Yellow never seemed to be a particularly durable colour on the BG 800s and 830s.

    Why didn't PB steam clean the locos and maybe PK can tell us what they did at Pt. Lincoln?

    Ian
    Posted: 05 Jan 2014 22:53
      xdford Chief Train Controller

    Trevor.
    The dieseline would have browned off the yellow much as WD40 will brown colours. Yellow never seemed to be a particularly durable colour on the BG 800s and 830s.

    Why didn't PB steam clean the locos and maybe PK can tell us what they did at Pt. Lincoln?

    Ian
    steam4ian

    There were a lot of things different at Peterborough. For example, D servicing was done over two days rather than one as it was at Mile End except I can remember a loco being late in and doing a C service in an afternoon including bedding and testing of generator brushes which was about a 25 minute job in itself... that was heavy going! Maybe it was in deference to the nature of the railway that a loco could be in as late as an afternoon and still expected out. Mile End always had the locos ready of a morning and cool if not cold for 5 days a week of heavier servicing.

    I cannot answer with any degree of authority why the dieseline was used... maybe steam was ineffective on the local grits or  perhaps it was a carry over from steam days when dieseline was less than 10c a gallon and water was needed for locos?

    Open floor for now...

    Trevor
    Posted: 06 Jan 2014 09:46
      kipioneer Chief Commissioner

    Location: Aberfoyle Park
    This should be easy for anyone reading their railway mags this month Smile.
    Where and when was South Australia's first railway tunnel built?
    Posted: 20 Feb 2014 15:17
      duttonbay Minister for Railways

    Through the sandhills between Port Onkaparinga and Port Noarlunga, in 1855?
    Posted: 20 Feb 2014 15:46
      kipioneer Chief Commissioner

    Location: Aberfoyle Park
    Through the sandhills between Port Onkaparinga and Port Noarlunga, in 1855?
    duttonbay

    Spot on - not terribly successful in that it would silt up and it only lasted a few years.

    The present Saltfleet Street apparently follows the alignment and its predecessor replaced the tunnel and jetty tramway.
    Posted: 20 Feb 2014 16:01

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